South Carolina teacher suspended for stomping on an American flag

Originally posted by zedVSzardoz
reply to post by narwahl

Again, show me the consequences to any state for defying any federal provision.

In 1984, Congress passed the National Minimum Drinking Age Act, which required states to raise their ages for purchase and public possession to 21 by October 1986 or lose 10% of their federal highway funds.

en.wikipedia.org...

That's how they do it.

4 pages of rants about flags and only 2 flags lol

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reply to post by goou111


Ehh...I kind of get it, but bad choice of props for the demonstration.

If you wanted to illustrate to children the difference between a yard of fabric dyed various colors and a symbol that evokes emotion...taking a cheap yard of colored fabric and stomping on it and asking why that evoked emotion would be a reasonable place to begin a discussion....but the flag? Dumb choice in my opinion...he could have discussed Sinead Oconnor (muscian) tearing up a picture of the pope...or maybe stomped on a North Korean flag and asked them if that made them feel uncomfortable?...And then ask if they would feel uncomfortable if he stomped on an American flag?

I don't fault him for the attempt at teaching...I fault him for not thinking the conseqeunces through...not the brightest choice of props.

reply to post by HandyDandy


that is not exactly constitutional law now is it.

They could have said, ok....we lose em....

that is not a MANDATORY sanction...that is federal coercion

But it is interesting they HAD to resort to that because some states said NO....

You have proven my point.....

Originally posted by zedVSzardoz
reply to post by narwahl

 

Is that the US constitution which sets AGREEMENTS that each state and federal entity follows/ which if it does not is Breach of contract and so is owed and owes nothing....is that the CONTRACT it is?

Why yes it is.

Same way we agreed to sign it validating the contractual agreement that establishes the federal government in that particular state, it can be withdrawn.

continue reading instead of cherry picking.
We don't even need to secede. We can just not follow their rules in favor of our own.

Again, show me the consequences to any state for defying any federal provision.

edit on 10-1-2013 by zedVSzardoz because: (no reason given)

When some governours in the 60ies felt the Civil Rights Act wasn't to their liking the federal government sent troops to make sure the laws got observed.

reply to post by narwahl


no they were sent to PROTECT the people, NOT enforce a thing..
They couldnt touch state personnel, just escort the citizens which requested their presence.

you guys have NO historical context in mind when you cherry pick according to your bias.

Please read some more...not everything is covered in the history channel.

Originally posted by zedVSzardoz
reply to post by narwahl

 

no they were sent to PROTECT the people, NOT enforce a thing..
They couldnt touch state personnel, just escort the citizens which requested their presence.

yo guys have NO historical context in mind when you cherry pick according to your bias.

Please read some more...

edit on 10-1-2013 by zedVSzardoz because: (no reason given)

Protect them from what?
State segregation laws.

Originally posted by goou111
reply to post by Flavian

 

I agree its just a flag.. but iwhen a teacher stomps on one in a classroom whats he teaching our kids?

Exactly... there was purpose to his action...

imo of course.

reply to post by narwahl


NO

to protect them from physical harm. The laws were still on the books and being enforced. The federal government couldnt do a thing to remove them. That WAS THE CIVIL RIGHTS STRUGGLE. STATE BY STATE......

but you have NO IDEA.....since no one told you....

I am done. You guys are either this misinformed or just retarded for parroting things or inventing things as you go.

I will not argue state constitutional sovereignty with people who demand things of the constitution without ever bothering to even read it.

Good bye...

keep burning flags and demanding auto pilot democracy. See where it gets you.

Originally posted by zedVSzardoz
keep burning flags and demanding auto pilot democracy. See where it gets you.

Keep getting fanatically upset about a symbol just like Muslims do. See where it gets you.

Originally posted by goou111

Originally posted by zroth

Originally posted by goou111
I hope he never gets to teach again

Thank God it is not up to people like you.

It is up to people like me... hes been suspended and will probably get fired

edit on 10-1-2013 by goou111 because: (no reason given)

OK, then good job getting one less educator in the world.

Here comes China and North Korea.

Originally posted by zroth

Originally posted by goou111

Originally posted by zroth

Originally posted by goou111
I hope he never gets to teach again

Thank God it is not up to people like you.

It is up to people like me... hes been suspended and will probably get fired

edit on 10-1-2013 by goou111 because: (no reason given)

OK, then good job getting one less educator in the world.

Here comes China and North Korea.

Teaching kids to stomp on the American flag is not the education they need.. period..

If he wants to teach his own damm kids to stomp on the American flag fine.. But hes not gonna teach my f------ kids

Originally posted by goou111

Originally posted by zroth

Originally posted by goou111

Originally posted by zroth

Originally posted by goou111
I hope he never gets to teach again

Thank God it is not up to people like you.

It is up to people like me... hes been suspended and will probably get fired

edit on 10-1-2013 by goou111 because: (no reason given)

OK, then good job getting one less educator in the world.

Here comes China and North Korea.

Teaching kids to stomp on the American flag is not the education they need.. period..

If he wants to teach his own damm kids to stomp on the American flag fine.. But hes not gonna teach my f------ kids

He was neither teaching kids "f-------" nor how to stomp on a flag. (Your kids are f---------? I hope you told them to use contraceptives?)
Stomping on flags is, btw, no different than stomping on other tings.
Very little training is required, it comes quite naturally. Most kids learn how to stomp on things while learning to walk.

good she should have been deported ...couldnt be american

reply to post by narwahl


so this is the state of this thread. Word play and mental diarrhea about stomping on flags.

What I think is funny about this bunch is that they think themselves to be about the first amendment yet are fanatically advocating assaulting our national symbol. Which is it....you respect and honor our country and institutions or you crap on them?

we get it, you share a pass time of jihadists and extremists who regularly burn and desecrate american flags while overtly wishing for our peoples violent death. I am glad to see they have so much support for those activities with this crowd.

Who cares right. that is sooo progressive of you and might get you laid at a near by star bucks. Just remember to bring your liberal douche bag manifesto you are working on and passively advertise it by letting it stick out of your army surplus pants....

I said I was done, but I change my mind. I am done taking you people seriously is all....

this is blah blah blah land where emotional dribble and childish antics reign supreme....

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reply to post by zedVSzardoz


Heard about a little youtube video "The innocence of muslims"?
A punk rock band in russia facing 3 years of prison for singing a song about putin in a fancy house?
Fox news going ballistic about the audacity to build a muslim community center in new york?
A southpark episode with a big black "Censored" box instead of the prophet mohammed?
A danish newspaper publishing cartoons?
Salman Rushdie forced into hiding for writing "Satanic verses"?
Christians going into hissy fits over "the life of brian"?

These are all examples of groups of people being "offended" by a lack of respect for a symbol. So either you think that these people had good reason to be offended, or you can't be offended about burning flags.
Would a hypothetical german exchange student have had a right to be offended by the teachers actions if he had stepped on one of the following: German war flag, GDR Flag, Nazi Flag, FRG flag, German flag, Bavarian flag?

To be against the act of flag desecration undermines the very foundation (the 1st Amendment) of the thing that flag represents. It is a hypocrisy of maximum order. Just because you do not like the act of someone destroying the symbol that represents your freedom, doesn't mean you can take away someone else's freedom to do it. It is a logical breakdown.

reply to post by narwahl


Honestly, I don't really care for the laws of Islam but I would never in a million years desecrate any holy book or site or artifact of theirs out of respect for something a whole people identify with.

The same way it unites for good it can be used to insult unilaterally.

I would never take a national symbol of any nation and desecrate it.

That is how I was raised. I was taught to live with honor instead of looking for pipe dream ideals that cause more discord than good.

Dafuq does burning our flag accomplish except insult every single person that still finds solace and union as well as identity with it. It is childish and fanatical.

The same way I respect people enough to disagree with me, I expect them to remember WHY I do. Because I was raised with AMERICAN ideals where we were drilled about free speech and the the right of others to have ideas that I may not appreciate.

You start insulting my Americanism or our symbols and our institutions and guess what, that aspect goes right out the window too. I resort to being a HUMAN whom you just insulted and made clear you don't really like my country and so wouldn't appreciate my respect of the First amendment. You don't get to cherry pick ( see allot of that)

Either you respect and honor the USA or you lose the respect and honor we can show you...little or much that it can be.

So if I see a fellow citizen being a complete idiot with our country I will actually in my mind be looking at a foreigner with an American passport whom should REALLY MOVE if he is that uncomfortable in the US.

I am a first generation American. Born from an immigrant who didn't even speak English that well when he arrived yet was received and made to feel welcome by warm intelligent people who believed in something noble and really lived it.

I F-ing love the USA and when you do something so intentionally insulting as this, I lose what courtesy and respect you might expect.

reply to post by zedVSzardoz


Ah. We are actually on a similiar page here.
Either all symbols are sacred or none are.
You come down on "all symbols"
I come down on "None"
But as long as you don't go pick and choose (and you don't seem to) it's consistent and OK by me.

Personally I think the "all" position is a bit hard to maintain. There are symbols I care very little about, so I am prepared to accept people making fun of/desecrating symbols that are dear to me.