The Death of JFK: Project Amworld

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Awesome info! Your jfk threads are my favorite here on ATS.

Even tho I have spent a massive amount of time on the jfk assassination, I have never come across this particular plot. I will have to go back and check your links to dig a little deeper.

It amazes me the depth of this conspiracy, and the massive amount of information that comes with it.

Please keep the jfk threads coming

The motive is there, the means are there, the personal connections are there..This has to be the most sound theory I've seen yet. I knew about the possible mob connection, but throw in the project Amworld in and everything makes even more sense.
As always this was a fantastic thread, RA. I will now waste the rest of my night reading external content.
S&F

Posted here in error. Apologies.

reply to post by Rising Against


I tried to read a book, Anatomy of one murder, or something like that, Congress reports on...
I read a part of that book, it is realy the fat one, continously repeating almost the same facts.
They claimed that Oswald did it alone, by his will.
He was previously in USSR, after service in US Army, and tried to get to Cuba, but he failed that.
Than he decided to kill US President. Shot-gun, from some of higher floors nearby the way where The President was passing in his limousine. After that, he was arrested, and killed by one angry citisen, or the policeman. There was some doubt about his eventual supporters in what he did.

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Ok, well that's pretty much what the Warren Commission claimed too. Over the years there's been many books published out there for and against the official story, just as there is with other cases, 9/11 for example, but in regards to JFK there's still a vast amount of doubt about the official story almost 50 years on. A great deal of it fails to make sense, a lot was failed to be investigated, key witnesses were failed to be appropriately investigated and or questioned and key questions are still yet to be answered, and so on and on.

One of the main failures for me was the complete lack of investigation into Oswald and his prior connections to Intelligence, Jack Ruby, and also organized crime, not forgetting Ruby's connections to the latter too. It did exist, no doubt about it. Not forgetting the complete lack of investigation into anything other than Oswald being the Sole shooter of there being a second shooter from elsewhere, the knoll for example which is where most of the witnesses ran to following the assassination. The investigation was not trying to ascertain what happened that day, their primary goal unfortunately was to determine how Oswald could've pulled this off - Logic which is obviously flawed if you want to have a fair and true investigation.

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I knew about the possible mob connection, but throw in the project Amworld in and everything makes even more sense.

For along time now I've believe the mafia had a great deal of involvement. Knowing what I do about them, it does make a lot of sense and the fact is they did have a means and they did have a major motive too. This isn't a small time thing as we all should know, they were huge, especially in America at the time. They could've pulled something like this off too but in my opinion they didn't do it alone, they had help from the CIA. Not the whole organisation though that would be silly, just as silly as if every mafiosa knew about the plot as well. But I'm talking about elements with-in, not entire organisations. It's that reason how they ere able to truly get away with it.

Learning of Amworld filled in a lot of pieces I had as well, despite already believing they played a part. As you yourself just said, throwing in this project makes the rest of it make a great deal more sense, which it truly does. I started writing this thread up the day before I posted it, I think that's a pretty decent representation of how important I thought It was, how quickly I wrote it up to share it with everyone else here on ATS.

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Isn't it just common knowledge that back then and still today the Mafia and the CIA are brothers in arms? Whatever the CIA simply can't get away with, the Mafia does, and vice versa. It's always been a perfect fit. The proverbial hand in glove. Why would they destroy such a perfect relationship?

Another excellent thread, RA!

I have been looking into one individual claimed ( by E. Hunt) to have been part of the JFK plot. So I may be in touch....just wanted to congratulate you on the thread.

Originally posted by mike dangerously
Great thread as always RA!

Project Amworld does fill in some blanks but,I don't think it was just Marcello,Roselli and Santos who simply penetrated the op.You have the anti-Castro Cubans and the rouge CIA agents and contract operators.The decision to murder JFK came from a level far above these guys.

Oh I agree. I think the people right at the top were non other than Johnson and Hoover. They also can be implicated quite heavily in the plot, but of course they can't be seen as such. I think the mafia were also recruited by the CIA, as they have before as proven in documents released through the ARRB, but I think it went right to the top. With everything else in the world there was a hierarchy here.

I suggest everyone look into something called the Bobby Baker Scandal, I think that also provides a pretty strong motive for Johnson's involvement. Here's a good page on him which mentions this among other thing's: Biography: Lyndon Baines Johnson.

I also have a thread on Hoover here: The Life and Times of John Hoover. There's also this article: Biography: J. Edgar Hoover

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Thanks, and that sounds fascinating.

I look forward to hearing from you again.

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Thanks for the read. That was a good one. Here is another:

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I'm not sure which part of these stories is any thing new. The training of Cuban Guerrillas in Nicaragua is well covered in "The Bay of Pigs." One part I think you left out OP is the order to support the floundered "invasion" on the beaches with American airstrikes from the carrier off shore. That was a direct order from Kennedy and although the Cuban exiles were doomed anyway it seems, the refusal to support them with bombing runs on Castro's fledgling army as it negotiated the narrow roads towards the beach surely sealed their fate.

End of Invasion, born the term "Bay of Pigs" and Kennedy became the focus of hatred from the American mob, the CIA and the Cuban refugees. "Fair play for Cuba"? Oh and all the members of big corporations and Government that used to take their state funded junkets to Havana Casinos.

Poor things, the furthest they could go now was Florida.

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About a 1:30 into here they are "attacking the symbols of Batista and western interests".

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This is why the Americans were so upset and wanted to supplant Castro. Kennedy went along but in the end snubbed the operation to re-"capture" Cuba.

Originally posted by CosmicEgg
reply to post by Rising Against

 

Isn't it just common knowledge that back then and still today the Mafia and the CIA are brothers in arms? Whatever the CIA simply can't get away with, the Mafia does, and vice versa. It's always been a perfect fit. The proverbial hand in glove. Why would they destroy such a perfect relationship?

Not then as far as I'm aware, although of course I wasn't even born until the 90's..

I believe if anything though - the fact the Mafia and the CIA have been working together quite actively - It's a recent revelation due to the ARRB's releases.

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Haha oh. I never knew you were so young! I have kids older than you.

I have family members from two different Sicilian Mafia families. Those tales are deep in my family's holiday get-together chatter. Needless to say that's always been an interest of mine. I just really didn't know that the rot had roots all the way up in American government. That part was news.

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Stunning job ! You continue to inform us on this piece of tragic American history that has been a part of my life right along with the rest of my very first memories. And all I can say to that RA, is that I'm so glad it's you. I admire your passion for this topic so close to my heart. Now days, the motives are so abundant that I've come to the conclusion that he knew he was a target. He knew very well it was just a matter of time and with so much motive ? It's absurd to imagine him not going out, just as he did.

SnF RA !

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LBJ order several murders according to Billie Sol Estes.Estes has listed them as part of a deal with federal prosecutors:

1. The killing of Henry Marshall
2. The killing of George Krutilek
3. The killing of Ike Rogers and his secretary
4. The killing of Harold Orr
5. The killing of Coleman Wade
6. The killing of Josefa Johnson
7. The killing of John Kinser
8. The killing of President J. F. Kennedy.


For those of you who would like to read further here is a link to the Estes Documents:Estes Docs.

Hoover was a body remover as the old Rage Against The Machine goes.He was one of the creators of the lone assassin theory.JFK and RFK were looking to fire him along with LBJ funny how after the murder of The President Johnson made Hoover FBI Director for life.

JFK has been killed because he decided to speak up and act against the occult Elite.
He not only knew too much but decided to act upon this knowledge. People would have listened and had some power, so he needed to be stopped.
End of story.
Threads like this are bad because they tend to make people forget that fact and push them in a dedalus of smaller insignificant details and 'mini-conspiracies'.
It, being on purpose or not, is still disinfo.

Originally posted by 1Agnostic1
JFK has been killed because he decided to speak up and act against the occult Elite.
He not only knew too much but decided to act upon this knowledge. People would have listened and had some power, so he needed to be stopped.
End of story.
Threads like this are bad because they tend to make people forget that fact and push them in a dedalus of smaller insignificant details and 'mini-conspiracies'.
It, being on purpose or not, is still disinfo.

What I have posted here is backed up with documents, "End of story" as you say. This happened - fact.

If you believe of this to be disinfo, then I hereby challenge you to prove it, and then in turn prove, or show how, JFK died as a result of acting against the "Elite".

I do look forward to seeing what you come up with...

reply to post by Rising Against


It's not disinfo because your facts are wrong (they don't seem to be). It's disinfo because it can make people forget about the real reason I stated. They will check interest facts but that will make them lose sight of the bigger picture.
Now, if people can do both, then all the better. I just doubt it.
All I have to say.

reply to post by 1Agnostic1


First off, I'm now a dumb individual, and I can see what's going on here with your posts. So, let me highlight it:

First we have this comment from you:

Threads like this are bad because they tend to make people forget that fact and push them in a dedalus of smaller insignificant details and 'mini-conspiracies'.
It, being on purpose or not, is still disinfo.

First off let me point out that disinformation is different to misinformation. You believe the latter is going on if it's not on purpose, and the former for when it is on purpose.

Anyway, I then replied to you this with:

What I have posted here is backed up with documents, "End of story" as you say. This happened - fact.

If you believe of this to be disinfo, then I hereby challenge you to prove it, and then in turn prove, or show how, JFK died as a result of acting against the "Elite".

I'm was then greeted in reply with this:

It's not disinfo because your facts are wrong (they don't seem to be). It's disinfo because it can make people forget about the real reason I stated.

Ok, so we have you admitting my facts don't seem to be wrong and yet at the same time you claim they are wrong. So, provide your proof. Also, your definition of disinfo is wildly incorrect. Here's a definition so you can better understand your position here: The definition of disinformation.

And then you also posted this on the matter in an attempt to swiftly end the discussion:

All I have to say.

So, instead of providing the proof I requested, you claim it's still disinfo, you claim my facts are wrong (all the while admitting they don't appear to be) and finally you proclaim that you have absolutely nothing else to say on the matter. In other words you cannot back up what you're saying here and you've decided to leave the conversation immediately.

Well, that's amazing. Moral of the story here - don't call people disinfo, or any other insult, unless you can back it up. Otherwise you'll find yourself backtracking like this a great deal more often, especially on a site like ATS. A lesson learnt I hope.

Thanks for your time here and again, if you do choose to stick around and you can back up your claims, we're all ears here. But, if all you have is insults and claims of disinfo, come prepared..