Originally posted by alfa1
Originally posted by iSHRED
I'd rather just discuss the content of what he said.
Dowloaded and scanned through the first one to get an idea of what he had to say.
His argument was a very long winded way of putting forward two tired old chestnuts...
- The "watchmaker" argument, first proposed by William Paley in 1802.
- The "its all too improbable to have happened by chance alone", therefore : God.
Bit of which sound lovely but dont stand up to any scrutiny at all.
Let us scruntize this and see if this statement is correct, or if it is just superciliousness (that scripture quoted from Psalm 10:4 in the title can
be translated 'the supercilious say in their heart there is no God.' Someone that is supercilious is basically someone that is haughtily disdainful
of others points of views and will refuse to look at reason or logic because of prideful arrogance.
Can it really be said that prideful arrogance is behind the many statements that design does not need a designer?
The Bible very simply put it this way:
(Hebrews 3:4) . . .Of course, every house is constructed by someone, but he that constructed all things is God.
Is that logic sound and reasonable? If you look at a well designed house with air-conditioning, fully furnished, a frigerator stocked with food,
etc., would it be reasonable to conclude that it came about by chance?
Let us take one look at one simple thing then that is actually very complex and see if the odds add up.
The Human Cell
Life could not exist without the teamwork of certain key components within a living cell. In order for a cell to exist and propogate you need
protein, and nucleic acid molecules, which are known as DNA or RNA.
Protein molecules within our bodies, and their ribbionlike strips of ammino acids are bent and twisted into various shapes. But why mention these
patterns within a protein molecule? Well, firstly, most of the body is made up of them, and secondly the complexity of these molecules.
It is thought that there could be over 50,000 different protein molecules within the human body. What is the chance of just one of these folding upon
itself correctly without intelligent intervention? It has been estimated by scientists that for an average-sized protein, made from 100 amino acids,
solving the folding problem by trying every possibility would take 10 ^27 (a billion billion billion years.
Yes, in order for one protein to fold upon itself correctly by chance you would imagine that it could take many more life-times than our universe for
it to happen correctly. Yet not just one protein, no not just one, rather over 50,000 of them happened to fold upon themselves correctly all in the
exact manner, in one instant in time.
This is what proponents of blind Chance propose.
But let us not stop there. In order to have a working cell all components must be functioning perfectly from the very outset or else it could not
exist or propagate.
The instructions to build these proteins necessary for life a blue-print is needed, and it is found within the DNA molecule. In the ladder of the DNA
genes are stored ( a digital book made of of four letters, A, G, C, and T). This digital book contains information enough to fill the Grand Canyon
from top to bottom with volumes of information. And it not only is there, written information in digital code, of the most compact kind, but it also
is able to replicate itself, as we will see.)
So the blue-print of proteins are in the DNA. How to get to them? Well, RNA is needed. Similar to DNA, there are several forms of RNA to do this
task. In the nucleus, the DNA ladder starts to unzip (by a mechanical process much to long to explain here) allowing RNA letters to link to the
exposed DNA letters of a DNA strand. So, while this process is much more complicated than explained here, the DNA is transcribed onto the RNA. After
which the RNA peels away and through mechanical processes already put into place the DNA then zips itself back up.
This type of RNA, a message carrier can then move from the nucleus to a protein-production facility where the letters are decoded by much more
complicated machinery designed for the task. Each set of three RNA letters form words, that call for specific amino acids. Another type of RNA will
look for these amino acids, and with the help of certain enzymes, it is towed to the protein facility and the construction site of the protein. As
the RNA sentence is read and transcribed a growing chain of amino acids are produced. This chain will curls and fold into the unique shapes talked
So just one simple look at a very complex design in the body reveals that to believe in Chance, well, you have to have more blind faith than believing
that was the product of intelligent design. All of these components need to exist for the cell to live. At the exact same time. So you tell me, what
chance for your Chan