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posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 07:21 PM
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So are you suggesting that other ATS members from other countries (not named USA) don't get critical when Americans tell them how they should act or what they should do?




posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 07:21 PM
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posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 07:23 PM
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Yup, if you can't follow a simple question, I can see how you would think that.


Sorry thought the topic was about a nuclear Iran and guns so why try to make posters the topic?



posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 07:23 PM
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If you think this thread is about Iran having nukes and somehow I want them to have nukes and you can't get over that and do some thinking and realize that this thread isn't about that, then go ahead and have your little arguments with eachother.

This is absolutely hilarious that people don't get it! [moderator snip of offensive term.]

I'm not stroking my ego, I'm shaking my head at the absolute stupidity I have seen in relation to a very simple question.



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posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 07:26 PM
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You say it's absolutely hilarious, but you've already lost your cool out of shear frustration for not getting your way...



posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 07:27 PM
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Originally posted by superman2012

Originally posted by Malcher
OK...Let me try another way.

You are comparing an entirely domestic issue with an international issue. If you said Americans were telling citizens from another country could not have guns themselves that would make the OP at least logical.



Nope. Still thinking centrally.

Whether Iran enriches Uranium is a national issue in Iran.
Whether the US bans or allows assault weapons, is a national issue in the US.

Neither should have a say about what the other does. You are making the mistake of assuming I was comparing nukes to hand guns, which would be ridiculous.


I am not telling you that you cannot support whatever you want, but people all over the world view nukes an international issue. I cannot see how US's own gun owners could be viewed as international.

I think you see what we have been explaining to you and are now doing a little tap dancing.



posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 07:30 PM
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Originally posted by superman2012


If you think this thread is about Iran having nukes and somehow I want them to have nukes and you can't get over that and do some thinking and realize that this thread isn't about that, then go ahead and have your little arguments with eachother.

This is absolutely hilarious that people don't get it! I have never seen so many dumbasses before!

I'm not stroking my ego, I'm shaking my head at the absolute stupidity I have seen in relation to a very simple question.





You must be clinically retarded.

We get that you SAY it isn't about nukes and guns. We get it.

You say its about the hypocritical Americans telling people what to do and getting mad/bent over the same being done with their domestic issues. The problem, is that your examples did not serve to prove your own point. A nuclear armed Iran affects other countries and it affects Americans. Domestic gun ownership in America does not. Again...domestic vs. global. How can you use those two examples to show hypocrisy? A nuclear armed Iran is a justified concern and an obvious threat, and thinking and saying its presumptuous to assume that they would enrich uranium for anything other than powering up the local casinos, is down right retarded.

You are delusional. Might want to taper off your Ritalin prescription.
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posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 07:39 PM
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It's not at all off topic when it is you who have asserted that Americans are going about judging other countries and telling them how to behave and whatnot, and I just showed you that foreign nationals come here and while working on our media networks telling us what to do and how to behave. I find you to be the biggest hypocrite in your entire thread.

I wish you well though, and don't complain about US Citizens being warmongers if you support a nuclear Iran.
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posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 07:44 PM
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Don't see the hypocrisy because they are the ones saying we can't own nukes either and guns

Better luck next time,
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posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 07:45 PM
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I couldn't care less if Iran has nuclear weapons. As long as their enemies have them, so should they. Same with North Korea.

Which, of course, is the reason why citizens should be allowed to be armed with the same type of weapons their enemies are using.

/TOA



posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 07:49 PM
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I'm not sure why they should be allowed? Fights today aren't fought fair. So if I can stop my enemy from having weapons equal (or better) to me I will. I figured more people would share that same sentiment. Conflicts aren't settled like they were back in the day with two men who have dueling pistols that are identical settle a beef
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posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 07:49 PM
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Originally posted by superman2012


If you think this thread is about Iran having nukes and somehow I want them to have nukes and you can't get over that and do some thinking and realize that this thread isn't about that, then go ahead and have your little arguments with eachother.

This is absolutely hilarious that people don't get it! [moderator snip of offensive term.]

I'm not stroking my ego, I'm shaking my head at the absolute stupidity I have seen in relation to a very simple question.



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No, you don't get it.



posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 07:54 PM
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The Americans that post here aren't normal Americans. We're hyper aggressive and overtly self-important. We honestly believe that the rest of the entire world of human beings need to know what we think about whatever it is that we give a sh*t about. If you think that most Americans see things the same way as the loudest and rudest of Americans see things, then I hope that you take this post into consideration as you continue to experience this place where the loudest and most self-important of us come to beat up on each other. Most Americans are just as decent and considerate as most other nations' people. It's just the jack*sses who've hijacked our media and politics - and our Internet conversations - that make it look like our nation is comprised of nothing but evil bastards.
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posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 08:09 PM
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Originally posted by superman2012
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I would think that any reasonable person could see the difference between citizens arming themselves, and nations building nuclear weapons that could destroy other countries, especially if one such nation in question is hostile to freedom.

I think any reasonable person could read a thread and realize it was about American hypocrisy and not about comparing hand guns to nuclear weapons. Taking the analogy literally was not what was intended. Again, this was clarified many times in this thread.


You may claim that after the fact, but you chose the examples. Comparing those two non-related things doesn't demonstrate the hypocrisy you claim we have. Unless you have some other examples, that are actually related, all anyone can do is use what you offered in your opening post. You have failed to prove any hypocrisy. You have, instead, managed (what a coincidence...) to stir up a lot of anti-gun sentiment, and to paint an entire nation with the same brush. A reasonable reading of your initial post, and your responses to the pats on the back you received on the first page, indicates that this is about gun rights, and not any unsubstantiated hypocrisy.



posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 08:10 PM
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As far as I can recall, I don't ever recall a US leader publicly stating they'd like to wipe another country off the map. The same cannot be said for Iran. I'd think that ANY sane world nation would not want to see a nuclear armed Iran.

That said, the US remains the only world power who has actually USED them in warfare....so kind of difficult for us to make the case (all the more reason OTHER nations should...)

If YOU feel safer with a nuclear armed Iran, then go ahead and support their effort. I, for one, do not. Sure, it's a case of do as I say, not as I do. However, we've got over half a century of having that power responsibly. Iran, on the other hand, is a known sponsor of terrorism. Apples and oranges here folks.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and yours may differ from mine...but that's fine. We're all different. Above, I mentioned my reasons against it (a nuclear Iran), and why I (and many other Americans) feel this way.

Personally though, I'm pretty sure the Israelis will end up being the ones to actually DO anything about it anyhow....



posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 08:13 PM
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Originally posted by superman2012
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I find no hippocracy in supporting gun rights, but not wanting Iran to have nukes.


It isn't about that. It never was.

It isn't about supporting gun rights but not supporting nukes.

It is about telling people not to do something in their country, while getting mad at them for telling you what to do in yours.

It's a pretty simple question.


Again, you have had this explained to you, but you refuse to accept the answers. There is no hypocrisy in supporting individual rights, that do not affect people in other nations, and not supporting a rogue nation having weapons that can be used to attack other nations. If you can't get that, the fault is with you. Your supposed hypocrisy, in the scenario you presented, doesn't exist.



posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 08:49 PM
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Originally posted by superman2012

Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes

Originally posted by superman2012

Originally posted by CosmicCitizen
My having a gun does not threaten someone living in say Great Britian....but Iran having a nuclear bomb could threaten me here in the United States as well as those living in other countries (ie, Great Britain) also.


Right, I get that, but you are missing the point. How can an American tell someone what to do in another country and then get mad when someone from another country tells them what they should do?


No, YOU are missing the point. Deliberately, I suspect. First off, this isn't America telling someone else what they can't do. This is the entire free world not wanting a radical, fanatical nation to have weapons that could destroy other countries.


Nope, it's still you.
My thread was asking a question to Americans on ATS. I have participated in threads on ATS with some Americans, where they were quite critical of Iran. This thread has nothing to do with nuclear weapons or handguns. Critical thinking is a skill few have. If you still need help, scroll to the top and follow the links for a better explanation.


I don't need help, and I am not missing a thing. You stated that Americans were hypocritical because they tell others that our gun rights are our business, and they also don't believe Iran should have nuclear weapons. That is your premise. It's very clear. You asked Americans why Americans were hypocrites for not comparing nuclear arms to personal weaponry. Your premise is flawed, and invalid. This has been explained, time and time again, and now you want to act as though the implied hypocrisy has nothing at all to do with the issues you chose to support it. Clear enough yet?



posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 08:58 PM
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Originally posted by superman2012
 


It has nothing to do with foreign policy, or semi autos.

It is about the double standard/hypocrisy of some American citizens that will yell and scream at people from other countries if they dare tell Americans what to do about their guns AND in the same breath tell those same people what to do in their country.



Your argument presents two groups of people doing the exact same thing to each other...each telling the other what they can do in their own country and each not liking what the other says. Sounds like the hypocrisy exists on both sides, why are you singling out the Americans? You say 'some American citizens'... yes, there are some loud assholes that live in this country, but there are also loud assholes to be found in every other country in the world. This is not anything unique to America, it is basic human nature.
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posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 09:34 PM
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Originally posted by superman2012

Originally posted by Malcher
OK...Let me try another way.

You are comparing an entirely domestic issue with an international issue. If you said Americans were telling citizens from another country could not have guns themselves that would make the OP at least logical.



Nope. Still thinking centrally.

Whether Iran enriches Uranium is a national issue in Iran.
Whether the US bans or allows assault weapons, is a national issue in the US.

Neither should have a say about what the other does. You are making the mistake of assuming I was comparing nukes to hand guns, which would be ridiculous.


Actually, your entire opening post is what is called a "false analogy" logic fallacy. You incorrectly compared two things to draw the false conclusion that Americans are hypocrites, for stating that Iran should not have nuclear weapons. Now, you want to pretend that something else was your intent, because the fallacy has been pointed out for all to see. Sorry, but that won't work. You made a mistake, and refusing to acknowledge that mistake doesn't make it go away.

You asked "people that live in the USA" for answers, and you got answers you don't like. Deal.

Your opening posts claims to seek civility, while at the same time insulting Americans, calling us hypocrites, and pretending that guns are as dangerous as nukes. Epic fail.



posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 09:53 PM
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and yours may differ from mine...but that's fine. We're all different. Above, I mentioned my reasons against it (a nuclear Iran), and why I (and many other Americans) feel this way.


As an intelligent post I will respond to this.
He never said it, it was a mistranslation. So what is the reasoning now?





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