reply to post by dontreally
Even though you're not a Christian theologian (although now amenable to an evolutionary Christian mysticism), I think you would very much enjoy and
appreciate The Nature and Destiny of Man
by Reinhold Niebuhr.
Man has both what's called the "qualia" of subjective experience, and, can stand apart from himself and ask questions about his own value, meaning and
purpose, and even wonder about who is the who who's asking and who wants to know..
But if there's a logical cornerstone of reason for faith, I don't think anyone needs to put forth an apologia, nor distinguish that inquiry from the
pursuit of scientific knowledge and understanding, since both methods of inquiry have arrows of trajectory that are now pointing in the same direction
- to the question of who and what IS man, really, and just what the heck are we doing here in the first place, and what is our place, our origin and
destiny in the grand scheme of things, even from the POV of the biggest picture imaginable, the cosmic frame of reference.
I agree with you about Frankl who I've also read. By far a superior understanding of the nature of man in the will to meaning
, than the will to
sex, or to power (Fraud and Adler).
Which brings us, via the will to meaning, straight to the self aware difference between necessary or meaningful suffering, and unnecessary or
meaningless suffering, which also dovetails with Jungian psychology whereby "all neurosis is a substitute for legitimate suffering".
High art then, in some form or another, born of the will to meaning, and the will to love, is the highest pursuit of man (and "the son of man").
"There is no greater love than that of a man who is willing to lay down his life for his friends."
I am not a thing. I am a human being! (The Elephant Man, paraphrased).
What I like about the Christian interpretation in this regard is that it rationally and logically assigns a meaningful value to man, and to the
individual human being, of infinite measure, a valuation whose meaning and purpose it is to Liberate man to pursue his final destiny, which may be
thought of in terms of the "revelation of the sons of God" for which the whole of the creation is yearning with urgent anticipation, to allow
"everyone" to find their true place as an integral part of the entire phenomenon and occurrence of life, whereby "the last shall be first and the
There's a joke to bad had there in the final analysis, I am absolutely convinced of it, a joke at the expense of our human ignorance and atheist
proclivity, capable of saving the whole world, even one person at a time.
I will go ahead and laugh first if need be, but for God's sake, I cannot be the only one to "get it".
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