ObamaCare Provision May Forbid Gun And Ammo Registration!

It seems that one Easter Egg hidden in Obamacare may protect us from legislation that is currently underway, and even Executive Orders...

CNN reports that Harry Reid slipped a mickey into the Patient Affordable Care Act to keep the NRA on the sidelines.

Senate amendment 3276, Sec 2716, part c “Protection of Second Amendment Rights” Government cannot collect: “…any information relating to…(A) The lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition”

Harry Reid, of all people, may be the guy that stopped illegal unconstitutional registrations. How ironic.


granitegrok.com...

usconstitutionalfreepress.wordpress.com...

www.breitbart.com...

That would be nice but I smell a loophole

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ObamaCare is a done deal baby!

I always wondered why he got such a high 2a rating from the NRA. Thanks for the interesting post. Have to wonder if that will have an effect on any E.O. that might be issued.....

Let's not get cocky just yet. You don't really expect this bunch to abide by a law that doesn't further their agenda, do you? Even if they themselves just finished cramming it through....

Well, the Constitution also protects that right, but "they" can disregard that, so what makes Obamacare any different?

Who needs a loophole when you get to pick and choose which parts of which documents you follow and which ones you flush?

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They might know that if they had read the bill...

I bet that's why Obama is looking at using an Executive Order to circumvent it.

~Namaste

There should be a law stating you cannot add unrelated provisions to a bill.

##snipped## they seem to think it might not apply like were thinking it does but this is the first link i found that actualy has the verbage of the section in question

enate Amendment 3276, Sec.2716, part c, ‘‘(c) PROTECTION OF SECOND AMENDMENT GUN RIGHTS.— ‘‘(1) WELLNESS AND PREVENTION PROGRAMS.— A wellness and health promotionactivity implemented under subsection (a)(1)(D) may not require the disclosure or collection of any information relating to— ‘‘(A) the presence or storage of a lawfully possessed firearm or ammunition in the residence or on the property of an individual; or ‘‘(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm or ammunition by an individual. ‘‘(2) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION.— None of the authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used for the collection of any information relating to— ‘‘(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition; ‘‘(B) the lawful use of a firearm or ammunition; or ‘‘(C) the lawful storage of a firearm or ammunition. ‘‘(3) LIMITATION ON DATABASES OR DATA BANKS.— None of the authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used to maintain records of individual ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition. ‘‘(4) LIMITATION ON DETERMINATION OF PREMIUM RATES OR ELIGIBILITY FOR HEALTH INSURANCE.— A premium rate may not be increased, health insurance coverage may not be denied, and a discount, rebate, or reward offered for participation in a wellness program may not be reduced or withheld under any health benefit plan issued pursuant to or in accordance with the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act on the basis of, or on reliance upon— ‘‘(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition; or ‘‘(B) the lawful use or storage of a firearm or ammunition. ‘‘(5) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION REQUIREMENTS FOR INDIVIDUALS.— No individual shall be required to disclose any information under any data collection activity authorized under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act relating to— ‘‘(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition; or ‘‘(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm or ammunition.’’. Reply With Quote

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But that would be too constrictive, and wouldn't leave enough room for profit/incentives for big corporations and lobbyists.

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I you click on this www.breitbart.com... and scroll down to the comments section the first comment will give you the real info, which is what is below.

Comment was written by Ken M.

What this amendment ACTUALLY says is that health care coverage, premium rates, and any participation in health and wellness programs shall not be affected by an individual's lawful ownership, use, or storage of firearms or ammunition, nor shall such data be collected on individuals (Sec. 10101)

This is a restriction placed on health care providers NOT the government. It neither strengthens or weakens the 2nd Amendment. It has nothing to do with the 2nd Amendment.

This guy is considered a journalist? Really?

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So, if I'm reading this right, Doctors / Healthcare Providers / Insurance Companies are the only ones that can't ask for gun / ammo registration?

Seems like there could be a broader interpretation, I mean this is government-ran healthcare, right?

Any lawyers out there that can clarify this?

while i was preparing this you guys started arguing... i have not read it yet, so judge for yourselves

‘‘(c) PROTECTION OF SECOND AMENDMENT GUN RIGHTS.— ‘‘(1) WELLNESS AND PREVENTION PRO- GRAMS.—A wellness and health promotion activity implemented under subsection (a)(1)(D) may not require the disclosure or collection of any information relating to— ‘‘(A) the presence or storage of a lawfully- possessed firearm or ammunition in the resi- dence or on the property of an individual; or ‘‘(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm or ammunition by an individual. ‘‘(2) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION.—None of the authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used for the collection of any information re- lating to— ‘‘(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition; ‘‘(B) the lawful use of a firearm or ammu- nition; or ‘‘(C) the lawful storage of a firearm or am- munition.

‘‘(3) LIMITATION ON DATABASES OR DATA BANKS.—None of the authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act shall be construed to au- thorize or may be used to maintain records of individual ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition. ‘‘(4) LIMITATION ON DETERMINATION OF PRE- MIUM RATES OR ELIGIBILITY FOR HEALTH IN- SURANCE.—A premium rate may not be in- creased, health insurance coverage may not be denied, and a discount, rebate, or reward offered for participation in a wellness pro- gram may not be reduced or withheld under any health benefit plan issued pursuant to or in accordance with the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act on the basis of, or on reli- ance upon— ‘‘(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition; or ‘‘(B) the lawful use or storage of a firearm or ammunition.

‘‘(5) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION RE- QUIREMENTS FOR INDIVIDUALS.—No individual shall be required to disclose any information under any data collection activity author- ized under the Patient Protection and Af- fordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act relating to— ‘‘(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition; or ‘‘(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm or ammunition.’’. (f) Section 2718 of the Public Health Serv- ice Act, as added by section 1001(5), is amend- ed to read as follows:

At Tektronix the really old schematics have little pen and ink, hand drawn cartoons hidden in them. The Engineers would do it just for fun because no one really proofed them very close.

This may be something similar. Probably a conservative intern infiltrated the group and planted the egg.

www.forbes.com...

Whenever news breaks of tragedies like the Aurora massacre, my heart goes out to the victims, their families, and another group – the medical response team. In the emergency department, we face the results of violence day in and day out. Run of the mill gunshot wounds are bad enough, but dealing with dozens of people gunned down senselessly at once is beyond the limits of my imagination. As the caretakers in these situations, we have to reach deep into our physical and mental reserves to maintain our sense of control. We get through it and never get over it. In medical training, physicians are taught to screen for potential violence. It is amazing how many people will tell you if they are homicidal or suicidal – you just have to ask. As an extension, we ask about access to guns. If a suicidal or homicidal person has access to guns, they are more likely to use that implement to initiate their violent act. This is why we are trained to ask that question.

forbes take on the matter it seems that no one is quite sure who or what these new provisions will apply to so to speak,but im gonna try to stay optimistic about this one for now atleast .

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Reading a year ago, on another thread, I remember the subject of Doctors askings kids whether Mommy and Daddy had guns in the house. Where was that...

ATS Link here

Beautiful! If Obama steps on gun ownership he steps on Obamacare in the process! Go Harry!

It doesn't protect us from the government registering guns, just from the insurance companies.

Even if it did, new law could supersede that some how.

If they aren't going to let our constitution get in the way, they wont let this get in the way.

I am a little skeptical simply because it says "Lawful".... could not an E.O. make....whatever unlawful until the court rules otherwise?

So you're telling me JUST THIS ONCE congress and Obama will follow the law??

Yeah maybe a snowball chance in hell...