reply to post by mikefortson
Greetings Mike, All,
Sorry to come to the party so late, and please bear with me as in my haste I'm certain I've overlooked various commentaries, statements etc., in
this ever-growing thread so allow me to apologize in advance for any repetition.
First, thanks to the OP for the thread and more importantly reaching out to the previously unknown witness, getting his permission to publish his
experience and working with him and inviting him here to discuss it–good work!
Thank you FrznFenix for being so forthcoming and sharing your experience, as Mike has frequently stated, there are many more witnesses who
"haven't" come forward then have (or words to that effect).
Working backwards: in regards to "entities" – this is one of the lesser known (to put it mildly) elements of the (erroneously labeled) Phoenix
Lights case. Point of fact is there were/are competent witnesses who were in very close proximity to the large craft in the eight o'clock hour who
actually saw "windows" (for lack of a better description) and "figures" therein.
"Some" other most important often overlooked factors:
• The feeling of "benevolence" or absence of fear across the board with "up-close & personal witnesses.
• Reports of telepathy by competent witnesses.
• Reports of amnesia.
• MIB reports.
So much energy is wasted on the subterfuge, i.e., the 10:00 pm "flare drop" or more accurately, the "imagery" thereof that focus of the real UFO
events gets lost in the noise. This happens every year as the anniversary nears, and although tiresome it has come to be expected.
Last year, right here at "ATS Live" Mike said it best:
". . . the videos that were shot at ten o'clock . . . what they video-taped truly, was an intentional diversionary flare drop."
Now, whether the flare drop was an "intentional diversion" is arguable; however, if it's true–it has worked brilliantly!
(Mark Allin and the boys at ATS Live granted us permission to publish a pertinent snippet of the interview which can be found
One of the surprise callers during that segment was Dr Bruce Maccabee, and he once again stated emphatically:
". . . the Lights at Ten O'Clock were Flares; The Real UFO Business was Between Eight and Nine PM!"
The first to "presume" that the videos were flares were actually some of the people that were present when some of the videos were being shot, as
people were just stating the obvious giving the location, regular military activity etc.
The first to "deduce" through research and analysis the videos were of flares was MUFON Investigator, Richard Motzer. His original report can seen
THE PHOENIX LIGHTS, THE REAL INVESTIGATION
Keep in mind that this was published in the MUFON Journal
just 4 months after the the main events of March 13.
Later Motzer's conclusions would be "scientifically confirmed" by
Two of the early stalwarts the flares being something that they weren't was Tom King and Jim DIlettoso; both had done a tremendous amount of research
on the matter and both reversed their respective positions after the preponderance of scientific evidence became undeniable. Tom King wrote in
That night Steve Blonder was contacted by Bill as he had a series of sightings the prior nights. Bill asked me if I wanted to come along. I did
and brought a telescope and SVHS video camera, Bill also brought his video camera.
I have done alot of work on those March 13, 1997 videos. I broke them done into as many pieces as I could. I spent many nights taping flares to
compare to these videos. There was alot of confusion brought into the case because of the media. Needless to say the videos themselves were confusing
as they all seemed to portray a simular event but different video running times, different number of lights, etc... One of the biggest arguments
against the flare theory is they were infront of the Estrellas mts. This meant they were over the southern Phoenix area and shouldn't be flares. . .