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Topic started on 9-1-2013 @ 09:32 AM by lolita64

Fox Gets It Right (!) On Guns

[...] Now let's separate the gun murders out a bit, and I'll refer to "the bible" on this -- the FBI's statistics.

I'm going to first go after the single largest group of people who both shoot and die, because if we're serious about addressing gun violence instead of playing politics (or setting up your own personal genocide a few years hence) you have to start where most of the violence is centered.

And the fact is that it is gang-bangers, mostly black gang-bangers, shooting one another. These are all our (collectively) our fault (I'll get to that later), and account for about half of all gun murders.

I suggest you read the whole piece, it's pretty great. Karl knocks it out of the park once again with a little thing called common sense and FACTS.

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reply posted on 9-1-2013 @ 09:39 AM by HawkeyeNation

Well no one cares anymore because they've been killing each other for 20-25 years. And it's over stupid stupid # like "you on my territory". The unfortunate way I see it is let them kill each other...sad but true.

reply posted on 9-1-2013 @ 09:41 AM by Ireminisce

Gang bangers shooting other gang bangers is completely different than a man walking into a school and massacring a class full of defenseless five year olds. You can't compare the two.

reply posted on 9-1-2013 @ 09:42 AM by thisguyrighthere

It's the same phenomenon in the UK.

As so many continue pushing the wondrous gun-free utopia it is they just ignore the or rationalize the violence they do experience as gang-on-gang or an immigrant problem among immigrants.

There is nothing outside of the bubble and everything inside the bubble is sterile and safe.

At least that's the delusion so many operate under.

While inner city schools have taken measures to protect their students because of the reality of crime around them these affluent white suburban schools keep on living in a bubble. Focusing all their efforts on attacking everything and everyone outside of their bubble that threatens the stability of their bubble.

Jokes on them though because there are no bubbles. Not really. Anything can happen to anyone, anywhere, anytime. That is reality. The world in in a state of anarchy despite all the governments, laws and regulations. Nothing can stop anyone from doing anything.

It sounds bleak but it's the truth. The sooner we accept this the better off, and consequently safer, we will all be.

reply posted on 9-1-2013 @ 09:44 AM by lolita64

Originally posted by Ireminisce
Gang bangers shooting other gang bangers is completely different than a man walking into a school and massacring a class full of defenseless five year olds. You can't compare the two.

Funny how the gun control retards always bring up the total gun deaths in the US to prove their point... but when you point out that 50-75% of all gun homicide are done by gangbangers, you don't want to hear that point again uh??

reply posted on 9-1-2013 @ 09:49 AM by Ireminisce

reply to post by lolita64

It is a serious issue that people should pay more attention to. Something should be done, but it's completely different than a school shooting. I'm just saying the two shouldn't be compared.

Btw, I'm not for gun control.

reply posted on 9-1-2013 @ 10:00 AM by ararisq

Originally posted by lolita64
Funny how the gun control retards always bring up the total gun deaths in the US to prove their point... but when you point out that 50-75% of all gun homicide are done by gangbangers, you don't want to hear that point again uh??

They call you racist because gang-banger is code. The truth is that they are ones that are racist. They NEVER bring up those murders except on the 11 o'clock news and they've stopped telling you that it is a black person that was killed there as well.

The killings are happening in their cities which are utterly dominated by Democrats and have been for 50 years. They segregated blacks in to ghettos, deprived them of protection and work. They created the situation and then REQUIRE that those same blacks vote for their prison guards every election to keep them imprisoned.

reply posted on 9-1-2013 @ 10:00 AM by hotel1

Firearms are not banned in the UK it is hand guns that are illegal, I know many people who have a personal arsenal of legally held firearms and none of these people are out committing gun crimes. The gangbanger gun crimes are almost entirley committed with illegal hand guns so were does that fact sit in the gun control debate ?

reply posted on 9-1-2013 @ 10:00 AM by jimmiec

Legislation that identifies gang members as terrorists would go a long way toward ending the gang problem. Of course tattoo parlors would have to switch to tattoo removal parlors i suppose. Americans do care about the problem but it is so prevalent that they are desensitized to it. Good thread OP.

reply posted on 9-1-2013 @ 10:11 AM by onthedownlow

reply to post by lolita64

Your stats start at age fourteen.What is rediculous, obhhorent even, is that you compare this to a mass murder of little elementary aged children inside an elemetary school. The person that wrote this hit piece is one of the true rascists. I would agree that we, the United States, have failed with Africa, but that was because Clinton didn't have the stomach for it. Most importantly, Bill Cosby tried to address this and he was chastized and ridiculed, nobody wants to talk about the elephant in the room. Legalizing drugs would just give gang members a new avenue for criminal activity, hell, maybe they could start racketeering and eventually become their own political union and begin influencing statutory law like the gangs of the prohibition era. Calling people like me a rascist because gangs are lucrative in poverty stricken innercities, preposterous! In my neighborhood, gangs were not racially motivated, they recruited from the slums and barrios because of helplessness and hopelessness- and you suggest that legalizing drugs is the solution? Just ignorant, drugs have created the problem by promoting poverty. Cosby was right, the only solution to this problem is self accountability, stop blaming everyone else and start being accountable for our own actions- you just want to play the blame game!

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reply posted on 9-1-2013 @ 10:11 AM by mandy1love

OP, how can you compare the results of gangbangers to the massacre of children and teachers??? That is a ridiculous argument.

And then you say, "nobody cares". The article follows up your statement by saying, "Because both the victims and the killers are black, that's why." Do you realize that is an ignorant statement? You are generalizing all the people of our country as if we are racist. We know that there is an issue with gang violence in America. I watch 48 Hours all the time! If you want to address the ones that don't care, send a letter to the White House. Also, one to Obama asking him, "Instead of going on your $4 million trip to Hawaii next year, can you donate that money to help with gang violence in America?" I mean honestly, what can we do as citizens? For example, there has been a major uproar about the 2nd amendment recently. Do the people in charge care? No, so they will do as they please regardless of the populations opinion.

As far as the rest of the article, where the author explains what can be done to help the situation, that could be a solution. Again, I ask you to contact the government and then let us know how that worked out for you.

Sorry if this comes off harsh, but your post was extremely offensive.

reply posted on 9-1-2013 @ 10:16 AM by TDawgRex

Originally posted by Ireminisce
reply to post by lolita64

It is a serious issue that people should pay more attention to. Something should be done, but it's completely different than a school shooting. I'm just saying the two shouldn't be compared.

Btw, I'm not for gun control.

The two can be compared on a micro vs. macro scale. One of the reasons that this type of story gets no play is that each murder/wounding only gets reported at a local level. So people are not seeing the bigger picture.

Another reason is that it has been going on for so long that people now tend to ignore it if they are not affected personally. Many are desensitized.

"Eh...another shooting on the East side." * returns to bowl of cornflakes and forgets about it*

BTW, I'm not for gun control either. I actually have three safeties on every weapon I have ever held. My brain, my finger and the one on the weapon.

reply posted on 9-1-2013 @ 10:18 AM by undo

i've had time to ponder all this stuff and this is what i have concluded:

the democrats, who claim they are the defender of the rights of blacks, have artificially kept them
squandering for scraps by first, 1) offering them free stuff out of the other guy's pocket via government
writ, instead of empowering them to become their own bosses, 2) if their basic needs are met as a
community, they become complacent and only rise above their condition when someone actually takes an active interest in the individual black citizen, usually as a commodity that can be used to achieve a political goal, either via manipulation in the music industry, which uses the plight of the black person as a propaganda tool, or in the political arena. empowerment is not the end game, however. it is a very slow process, leading invariably back to slavery (along with everyone else. this one thing alone, is almost singularly responsible, for everything else.

the republicans, who claim they are the defender of all people's rights (regardless of skin color), have artificially kept blacks squandering for scraps by ignoring the conditions the democrats have created for the black community or only mentioning it or taking an active interest in fixing it, right before voting time. this, i believe, is because both sides are working to inevitably make us all serfs of rome and britian.

reply posted on 9-1-2013 @ 10:21 AM by TDawgRex

reply to post by mandy1love

Just because the phrase says "Nobody Cares" does not make fact a racist statement. This is something that has been going on for sometime. Many don't really care because it does not affect them. Truly sad really.

There are neighborhood groups who do try to clean things up, and sometimes they are successful, but rarely so.

Where I live, nobody blinks a eye at the violence that happens in East Cleveland. It's just expected of that part of town. And the city is currently laying off even more safety forces, so I expect it to get worse.

Idiots! And no, that is not a racist remark. It's just what the City council are.

reply posted on 9-1-2013 @ 10:24 AM by misse2miss

Despite their best efforts, the Census Bureau estimates that the 2000 Census missed 6.4 million people (1). Although this is a relatively small number of people (only 2% of the population), most of those not counted are minorities, children, and low-income people. There are many reasons why people might not get counted in the Census, including: privacy concerns, homelessness, low literacy levels and not enough time to fill out the forms.

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But i take it they were probably looking at 2010's demographics

In a public statement, the Census Bureau announced that it has begun sending out over 120 million forms to people across the United States for the 2010 census, a list of questions that helps the government calculate populations and ethnicity's in particular areas across the country.

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The United States will enter 2010 with a population of more than 308.4 million, according to a U.S. Census Bureau estimate.

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Oh ok so i see now... they very rarely survey minorities, and out of 308 million people they only surveyed 120 million..thats left than half!

Therefore how do they even know how much of the population are even African American (i've never seen a black person in my life)
As far as im concerned they can take those fake demographics somewhere else.

I do belive every race in america have their share of crime.

According to the US Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) non-Hispanic blacks accounted for 39.4% of the prison and jail population in 2009. Hispanics (of all races) were 15.9% of those incarcerated in 2009. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics from 2000 to 2008 the rate of prevalence of incarceration for blacks declined to 3,161 per 100,000 and the white rate slightly increase to 487 per 100,000

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But doesnt everyone believe everything they say on the mainstream media.. They are begining to do exactly what others predicted them to do.. to single out a race.

It started with native Americans, then Irish, then African Americans/Jewish then Hispanics.. I guess its time to take another swing at the African Americans then???

Crime is everywhere and it always has been.

I believe street violence is getting out of control.. but geez stop playing the race card.

How will we every become a better society if we are constantly putting people into categories we are the UNITED STATES.. but we don't seem very united.. But hey i guess that's how the government wants its.

But hey i don't judge...but i will defend! Take it for what you will.

reply posted on 9-1-2013 @ 10:26 AM by onthedownlow

Originally posted by TDawgRex
reply to post by mandy1love

Just because the phrase says "Nobody Cares" does not make fact a racist statement. This is something that has been going on for sometime. Many don't really care because it does not affect them. Truly sad really.

There are neighborhood groups who do try to clean things up, and sometimes they are successful, but rarely so.

Where I live, nobody blinks a eye at the violence that happens in East Cleveland. It's just expected of that part of town. And the city is currently laying off even more safety forces, so I expect it to get worse.

Idiots! And no, that is not a racist remark. It's just what the City council are.

Excellent point! We all have children in school, but very few of us have gangs in our neighborhoods.

reply posted on 9-1-2013 @ 10:28 AM by seagull

Desensitized? Perhaps.

Or simply tired of seeing the lifestyle glorified? Perhaps.

A combination? Again, perhaps.

As for me? All the above.

I've watched the phenomena of the "gang banger" lifestyle be glorified in song (?), and in movies, since the late '80's. ...kids growing up wanting to become like their idols of song and movie...

Really? ...and so when they've become like unto their idols, only instead of being famous, they're in prison, I'm supposed to be sympathetic? They make a conscious choice to be "bad", and in the process destroy not only themselves but others around them. My sympathy is limited to their victims.

This isn't a democratic issue. This isn't a Republican issue. This is a choice that they made. Perhaps there were socioeconomic issues that mitigated one way or another...and that would, indeed, be true enough. But they, these kids/young adults made a conscious choice to pick up that gun, and go 'bangin', or whatever the hell the phrase was/is. ...and in the process destroyed lives, which included their own. Or a brother. Or a sister. Or a parent. Or someone they didn't even know. Simply because they wanted to be "bad"...

Again, my sympathy lies with their victims. There are ways out of poverty. There are ways out of the inner city "ghettos"... None of those ways require picking up a gun and shooting each other over some misguided concept of "turf", or "territory".

My best friend from my Alaska days was from South Central Los Angeles, and he got out of there by working his ass off and saving every scrap and dime he earned. I worked, as a supervisor, sixty or seventy hours a day...he worked more. I had to send him home to get some sleep at least once or twice a week.

He got out, and took most of his family with him. He lives in a little town just south of Portland, Oregon now.

He's not the only one to do that. He didn't need a "stash" from the gov't. Or a gun to kill some dude wearing red/blue... He got out with sheer guts and determination.

To this day, he remains one of my heroes.

No body cares? I do. But my caring isn't going to do any good, unless, or until, they want to change it. Change has to come from within. It can't be legislated, or applied from the outside.

reply posted on 9-1-2013 @ 10:28 AM by jimmiec

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While i see your point about mass murders not being related, i also see the relationship of guns and gangs. The citizens arm themselves to protect themselves from these gangs etc. If America did not feel the need to be armed to protect themselves and their families there would be far fewer guns in America. The fact is that there were fewer than 400 deaths attributed to rifles in America in 2011. The gun legislation proposed on assault type weapons will not do anything to curb mentally ill people from committing mass murder. It is a foggy issue that really has little to do with guns in general.

reply posted on 9-1-2013 @ 10:36 AM by hotel1

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In the UK it is very difficult, and potentially career damaging for someone to point out publicly the crime/race demographic. Even if somebody was prepared to publicly state the facts the apologists would probably say something along the lines of " it is the fault of society for failing to engage with those who are just victim of circumstance". This is why things are unlikely to change anytime soon.

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reply posted on 9-1-2013 @ 10:38 AM by misse2miss

Originally posted by jimmiec
reply to post by mandy1love

While i see your point about mass murders not being related, i also see the relationship of guns and gangs. The citizens arm themselves to protect themselves from these gangs etc. If America did not feel the need to be armed to protect themselves and their families there would be far fewer guns in America. The fact is that there were fewer than 400 deaths attributed to rifles in America in 2011. The gun legislation proposed on assault type weapons will not do anything to curb mentally ill people from committing mass murder. It is a foggy issue that really has little to do with guns in general.

Ha thats laughable at best very few citizens are arming them selves from "gangs" Do you live in the inner city? Are you apart of a gang is your family in a gang?

Let me tell you this i live about 30 miles away from a really bad part of our state and those people are killing each other left and right.. Regular people dont need to worry about being shot by a gang.. because gangs feud with each other..

Regular people need in these situations would need to arm themselves for the things that come along with inner city crime and gangs.. Drugs they will take you to places you never want to be.

You will lie steal kill anything to get your next fix..

So lets piece this together..

We have a community with prostitutes, drug addicts, gang related people, illiterate, most are walking around with out a high school diploma or equivilant. Living off the government( which by the way doesn't really help it just suppresses them into thinking they don't need to do anything because they are content.) , stealing from each other, letting their kids roam the street.. So is it really THE GUNS??

No it is the entire community it is a society most of you dont understand because you do not live in it!

For example: Lets say you live in a upscale neighborhood you may have someone mow your grass.. you pay them

In a inner city neighborhood.. you have an addict steal you electronics and clothes and you pay them with drugs.

It's a world i would;t wish upon anyone but it is there.

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