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Originally posted by Flavian
reply to post by TheMindWar
Alex Jones is a tit who totally showed himself up. However, bad as his behaviour was, this is much worse.
At the end of the day, like him or loathe him, he is entitled to his opinion and to express that opinion, particularly when he has been invited onto a show to debate something.
I have to say, the loons on all sides of this particular argument are really coming to the fore...........
Originally posted by CosmicBob
Originally posted by GaucheDroite
Originally posted by CosmicBob
Originally posted by Baguul
Say whatever you want about AJ, this type of rhetoric is insidious and heinous, not to mention illegal and hypocritical. I
"insidious and heinous" - Why? Because AJ's own organisation (predictably) saw an opportunity and sold it to their audiences as such? No one actually shot AJ or any of his family did they? This is a victimless "crime" made by a person exercising their right to freedom of speech.
"illegal" - Please can you point me to the law stating this as illegal. In fact, I recall a law supporting it. It's called the 1st Amendment. If the individual you're accusing had said it as a call to action (as opposed to satire and irony) to the viewers of the show, then I think there would be good reason get upset about it because then it could be directly attributed as malicious and with ill-intent.
"hypocritical" - Why is it hypocritical?
edit on 9-1-2013 by CosmicBob because: Fixed some wording
So if someone says something about the US president along the same lines, do they get looked into by the Secret Service? I think so.
Unfortunately saying "it was a joke" afterwards is too late as the offender already said it. At minimum Piers and the other commentators should be looked at officially, sure nothing will come out of it since the elites got the police under wraps. Its the principle of it though.
AJ, despite what he may think of himself, is not the US president. That job title comes with far greater responsibility than I suspect AJ could ever hope to even have a wet dream about. Because it is a sadly large occupational hazard that the president will often have those in such extreme disagreement with a president's politics that they are willing to take violent action to express said disagreement, a serious organisation assembled to investigate all statements mentioned (even in jest) regarding the security of said president is unfortunately necessary. AJ is not in this position. I'm sure he gets death threats all the time. But I believe that the worst that can happen to him is those most reasonably opposed to him laugh him off as a loon and move on with more constructive things to do with their time.
I'm saying it was intended as a joke because that is what it was. Anyone familiar with satire and ironical humour can see that, an in my view, that should be everyone here. He was using the ridiculous (I'm assuming also a "joke") challenge by AJ to PM to take him on in a ring to make a point of irony about that which AJ so vehemently defends. Why is this so hard to see?
What would you be saying to me right now, if AJ was saying that about PM and I got all up in arms about it being heinous and illegal and all that? Would you agree with me, or would you be saying what I'm saying right now? In my opinion, the latter of the two approaches is the correct approach to both the real scenario (CNN) and my hypothetical scenario.
It would be scarier if AJ had actually said a similar thing about anyone, however, because he is actually a gun supporter and it would be harder to put it past him that he would actually shoot someone for disagreeing with him than the individual who was talking on PM. Even so, I doubt he could resort to that.edit on 9-1-2013 by CosmicBob because: Fixed some grammatical errors
-- George Carlin
You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers, people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork. And just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly #tier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they're coming for your Social Security money. They want your #in' retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They'll get it. They'll get it all from you sooner or later cause they own this #in' place. It's a big club and you ain't in it. You and I are not in The big club. By the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head with their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy.
Originally posted by Lulzaroonie
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
I follow Alex Jones on Twitter, and the problem with the guy is he's like a dog with a bone. He won't let go until he's totally run out of steam, and unfortunately, the guy has a lot of steam!
I think he should have left the debate as it was, and bowed out in a dignified manner, and let Morgan take the heat for his comment, and act as though "Ha, look at this douchebag, joking about killing me... " But instead he's bombarding Morgan with tweet after tweet and he's making these comments about being in fear of his life.
Part of me is like "WTF calm down dude," and the other half is like "Well this is what you get when you don't know when to keep quiet..."
Originally posted by Human_Alien
Originally posted by SherlockH
Was the Patriot Act because of Alex Jones?
I think they are up our butts, as you put it, because they seek to dominate the American people and want to eliminate those that might stand in their way.
edit on 1/9/13 by SherlockH because: (no reason given)
We can keep circling around this topic forever because you're missing my point.
If one postures themselves as a 'we're not going to take it' bully then what do you expect the government to do? Have some sort of epiphany and say 'gee, they have a point. I think we should back off"
Of course not.
It's only going to make them be more guarded and prepared.
I swear to gawd I hope Alex Jones is a paid shill because anyone with half a brain cell would see the perilous situation their actions are creating for everyone else!!!!!
So in other words, when AJ gets his lemmings to follow him to Bohemia Grove every year, the attendees should:
1) welcome him inside?
2) offer him a lawn chair while bull-horning and inciting others?
3) create stiffer security.
If you answered '3' then....don't you see the perpetual cycle he's keeping us in? He is an idiot (or shill)
“I don’t care what the justification is that you’re allowed in this country to own a semi-automatic weapon – much less a handgun. But what do you need a semi-automatic weapon for? The only reason I think you’d need it is,Piers, challenge Alex Jones to a boxing match, show up with a semi-automatic that you got legally and pop him.”
If I may ask, do you not think your view on this matter is that of disgust because those folks at infowars.com sold the story to you in such a way so as to cause to see this as an "attack" on AJ? I'd be willing to wager that had IW not made a video about this, people would have overlooked this completely and just continued with their lives.
Originally posted by IkNOwSTuff
reply to post by CosmicBob
Unfortunately your in the minority of non conspiracy type people (what do we call non conspiracy types? normal? sheeple? LOL) as your a member of a conspiracy forum.
Most are not and as you said they are now more likely to think we are all nutcases
I am sure if the the shoe was in another foot you would use it to condemn guns even further. You are a bad troll.
Originally posted by IkNOwSTuff
reply to post by TheMindWar
Can you link a source showing he knew they were fake?
Ive read nothing about that and would be very interested
I agree the joke was in bad taste and he should have realised that this would ensue, but it was a joke never the less and no one, not even the people using sensational headlines, actually thinks it was serious and that AJs life was in dangeredit on 9/1/2013 by IkNOwSTuff because: (no reason given)