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Originally posted by jiggerj
reply to post by sacgamer25
It is through his death we were offered Grace
See! You are giving death a power. You are saying that god wasn't powerful enough to just give us grace without the help of a death ritual.
Originally posted by jiggerj
reply to post by NewAgeMan
Three days... The stone can be rolled away if you still have the lever.. (who's tomb was it anyway)?
This is a very good point, NAM.
Look, I don't even know if Jesus existed, but for the sake of this discussion I will conceded the point. Jesus walked the earth. Now, please come half way (JUST for the sake of this discussion) and think of Jesus as just a man.
Now, with ATS being a site of rampant conspiracies, and if this biblical story was of just a man, even you would give some credence to these two issues:
1. WHY would someone offer their tomb to Jesus? Answer, because Joseph KNEW that Jesus would only be in there for just three days.
2. Those soldiers guarding the tomb were paid to take a hike while the body was removed.
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
Originally posted by LittleByLittle
reply to post by Itisnowagain
But one must die to feel Gods presence. The person you 'think' you are is lost in thought, lost in time.
You do not have to have the body physicly die to feel a limited version of oneness even while being alive. But you might be talking about "ego death"/"limited mind perception" instead. But really the "you" is not really lost but understands that the "you" is not as limited as "you" thought "you" where .
You do not 'physically' die but you 'mentally' die. However, when you mentally die there is a realization that there is no physical world. Jesus overcame the world by realizing that the 'world' is no more than an idea.
Humans are mental. They believe the thoughts they have rather than what their eyes see and ears hear. Humans live in the mind made of time.
When timeless being (presence) is realized, the time bound person you believe you are dies.
Originally posted by Wonders
Jigger, thank you so much for showing me how wrong I was, I'd expected you to be more logical.
You didn't touch MY remarks or links, I'll TRY to refrain from wasting my time with your pointless grumblings.
The fence is for cowards.
Originally posted by vethumanbeing
Originally posted by Wonders
Jigger, thank you so much for showing me how wrong I was, I'd expected you to be more logical.
You didn't touch MY remarks or links, I'll TRY to refrain from wasting my time with your pointless grumblings.
The fence is for cowards.
What did it do? Jigger hasnt responded to any posts of mine feel yourself fortunate. The whole point of being the OP is to manage, maintain and encourage respondees--
Originally posted by Wonders
Originally posted by vethumanbeing
Originally posted by Wonders
Jigger, thank you so much for showing me how wrong I was, I'd expected you to be more logical.
You didn't touch MY remarks or links, I'll TRY to refrain from wasting my time with your pointless grumblings.
The fence is for cowards.
What did it do? Jigger hasnt responded to any posts of mine feel yourself fortunate. The whole point of being the OP is to manage, maintain and encourage respondees--
Well, I blame myself for hoping that he actually wanted an answer and that he'd pay me the same courtesy of giving his opinion, since he supposedly oozes with logic. Thank you for this response.
She decided that so much work and progress was worth more than the truth.
Are you saying that without the blood of Christ god COULDN'T have washed away the sins of the world?
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
Originally posted by jiggerj
reply to post by Itisnowagain
It is only when you come to the present moment and forget the past and forget the future that you will feel the presence (of God). But one must die to feel Gods presence.
You do realize that you contradicted yourself with this statement, right?
As for forgetting the past and future, I do that all the time. Like right now. I am so involved with you and others right now, that I am living JUST in this present moment. I do this even when I'm reading a good book. But then you say we can't feel god's presence until we're dead. So, I don't know where to go from there.
No, i don't see how i contradicted myself with that statement, maybe you could explain how.
Originally posted by sacgamer25
Originally posted by jiggerj
reply to post by sacgamer25
It is through his death we were offered Grace
See! You are giving death a power. You are saying that god wasn't powerful enough to just give us grace without the help of a death ritual.
I am saying man did not have enough faith to believe without witnessing the resurrection. Christ took away the power death had on people. There is no reason to fear death if you follow the one law that pretty much everyone agrees with. Love everyone.
Now here's the kicker. Most of you atheists want to turn right around and blame God for the way things are.
Originally posted by jiggerj
Originally posted by sacgamer25
Originally posted by jiggerj
reply to post by sacgamer25
It is through his death we were offered Grace
See! You are giving death a power. You are saying that god wasn't powerful enough to just give us grace without the help of a death ritual.
I am saying man did not have enough faith to believe without witnessing the resurrection. Christ took away the power death had on people. There is no reason to fear death if you follow the one law that pretty much everyone agrees with. Love everyone.
The apostles supposedly watched Jesus bring people back from the dead, heal the blind and crippled, feed a multitude on a few loaves of bread and a couple of fish, turn water into wine, cast demons into pigs that ran off a cliff... And they didn't have enough faith? If all these things weren't enough, what would dying do? And what would dying do that watching him rise into the heavens wouldn't do? If he wasn't crucified and just floated up off the ground, I would have been VERY impressed!
No we don't. We want the religious to stop giving god credit for all the good in the world while never blaming him for all the bad.
I would like to present to you one paragraph that I believe
Originally posted by randyvs
No we don't. We want the religious to stop giving god credit for all the good in the world while never blaming him for all the bad.
Is it such an annoyance to you that people believe this ? No wonder you're all grumpy all the time !edit on 10-1-2013 by randyvs because: (no reason given)
Why are you turning this on me?
Originally posted by sacgamer25
reply to post by jiggerj
You read my post through Christian stereotype. You yourself have asked that we do not do that to you. I have not done that to you so why do you do that to me?
But the message I believe comes from Christ.