I posted this twice in another thread and no one will comment on it. Surely, there must be Christians with a logical opposing view on it. Here is that statement:

The entire Christian faith is based on the premise that Jesus died for our sins. When Jesus died, God started forgiving those that sinned, supposedly. Now, if we come at this from a different direction we find something that should at least make everyone go, "Hmmm."

What if God didn't want to forgive sins at that time? If this god is all-powerful, then nothing and no one could have made him do it. Could the crucifixion of Jesus have FORCED god into forgiving sins? No. Remember, god is GOD! So, the death of Jesus didn't trap god into doing something, one way or the other. If god had wanted to forgive sins at that time he simply would have done it.

This means that Jesus died on the cross for nothing.

I hope I explained this clearly enough. And, I'd love to hear an answer, because as it stands right now what I see is that Christianity is totally debunked and the New Testament should be slipped back into the old testament. If the death of Jesus couldn't force god into doing anything, then we really don't know if god started forgiving sins at that time. And, his resurrection would have been simply another miracle as those in the old testament.

I think your logic is somewhat lacking in understanding of the faith. Yes, God is supposed to be everything, everyone, all-powerful etc.

But, in Jesus, God made himself fully human, in order to completely and wholly interact with humanity, on a level that burning bushes and stone tablets could never achieve.

However, it is important to try to understand the concept that, to Christians, Jesus was fully human, fully divine, both all at the same time, equally and wholly. This is one of those things Christians take on faith.

The reason Jesus was crucified was because he was a Jew preaching an unorthodox view on the faith. But he did, according to Christians, die and suffer to absolve all of humanity of their sins. It wasn't just Jesus who died, it was Jesus the man, Jesus the divine, God, and all of us.

Does that help in any way?

God was already forgiving sin even in the old testament, that was the whole purpose of animal sacrifices in the temples.Merchants would sit outside the temples with cages full of birds and other assorted critters that people would buy and take into the temple to be sacrificed for their sins.

The whole jesus was god thing is a bit dodgey. according to god himself the reason sinners can`t go to heaven is because god can not abide in the presence of sin because he is sinless and perfect and all that.
Then how could god possible come to earth in human form? earth is full of sin and sinners and sinful souls, how could god possibly be able to abide in the presence of all this sin here on earth since he himself said that he can`t?
if jesus was god than we have proof that god can indeed abide in the presence of sin and therefore there is no reason why sinners can`t go to heaven.
if jesus was not god then any human sacrifice would have been good enough to forgive mankind`s sin.

erm

his dying words were to forgive, as they know not what they do.

christianity is not about this comment

the image of jesus dying on a cross....and the cross...are emblems which are open to connotations and perceptions

christianity is a lot more than a virgin birth, ressurection etc

these are foundation storys for the prophet...NOT ABOUT THE MESSAGE

jesus attempted to free people from the tyranny of the covenance of cults spanning the land
which were left tugging between pharonic rule and new roman emperor rule

he was the king of the "jews" who was killed by the cults, who had a strong covenance in the middle east and with the emerging roman empire
who knows they probaby facilitated romes takeover of egypt

they are the enemy of the pharaoh
they became rulers of rome through catholism
now we know them as bankers

statless covenant pirates

Originally posted by LittleByLittle

The original sins still exists from the garden since most people cannot stop eating the apple of duality

apple of duality??

the Apple Mac apple....with a bite missing....
thats adams apple !!

represents temptation

just saying

Originally posted by thePharaoh

Originally posted by LittleByLittle

The original sins still exists from the garden since most people cannot stop eating the apple of duality

apple of duality??

the Apple Mac apple....with a bite missing....
thats adams apple !!

represents temptation

just saying

The belief of the ego to believe it can judge right or wrong without walking in the other persons shoes. The belief that the mind had all of the knowledge/inputs/sensors in one single brain to understand the same thing that god from the information on earth can understand from the input of all humans and animals on this planet. The rejection of the oneness with god and using all the information that god had for a simplification of what is that a human brain can handle.

The human mind/ego cannot from my experiance even understand the soul hiding in the unconscious and the limitation to really examine all the input/output of the human body is so limited to the mind/ego.

Originally posted by ZeroReady
I think your logic is somewhat lacking in understanding of the faith.

Isn't the very well known saying: "Jesus died for our sins"?

I'd like to know what 'death' had to do with it? What does death have to do with forgiving sins. Whether Jesus is god or not, what did this procedure of crucifixion do that god couldn't do in the absence of crucifixion?