Animal killer Kayla Bourque released to live in Vancouver

reply to post by FissionSurplus


You're wrong on your assumption on psychopaths being rehabilitated. I've posted this in numerous other threads, but neurofeedback therapy is showing great results at treating psychopath/sociopaths. In diagnosing individuals, both fall into the catagory anti-social personality disorder.

www.braintreatmentchicago.com...

Originally posted by Evil_Santa
reply to post by FissionSurplus

 

You're wrong on your assumption on psychopaths being rehabilitated. I've posted this in numerous other threads, but neurofeedback therapy is showing great results at treating psychopath/sociopaths. In diagnosing individuals, both fall into the catagory anti-social personality disorder.

www.braintreatmentchicago.com...

That's some heavy reading. Can you give a summary?

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by moonzoo7

 

Read the article she will be getting help and will be constantly supervised, Yes clearly she has a mental illness but to continue vilify her will not help her.
She needs help and maybe just maybe she will be able to cope with the world, This type of stuff just adds to the stigma of mental illness.
To say she will kill someone so surely is wrong, she has had tests and will continue to get help she needs.
Oh and Revgen do shut up about demons and stuff she is just ill.

edit on 9-1-2013 by boymonkey74 because: (no reason given)

The problem is exactly mental illness!!! Can someone really be rehabilitated? The psychiatric industry thinks that giving someone like this a psychotropic drug, that clearly states "May cause suicidal or homicidal tendancies." is the answer!!! If someone has no consience and therefore feels no guilt or remorse, can it be implanted or added??? If it is lacking, what might be the reason why? Just because someone serves their sentence, doesn't mean that the problem is no longer there! Would you want to be the one that had to notifiy the family of her future victim? Just because she is being watched, does that mean the opportunity to carry out such a twisted obbsession will not become available??? Do you actually believe that Ted Bundy, Jeffery Dahmer or John Wayne Gacy didn't have fantasies about killing before they evolved into full fledged serial killers? She has killed innocent helpless animals, which has clearly helped to desensitize her from killing!!! Would you be willing to put trust in her enough to be her roommate and give her the supervision that you think is so adequate!!

It's funny. I joined ATS for my love of the paranormal and supernatural and find myself in these discussions siding with health and science. Yes this is a clear case of mental illness - someone does not go from a happy, healthy person in picture one to what she looks like picture three. A normal happy person doesn't kill or mutilate animals for pleasure. This girl needs help and fast. And I hope to the family member reading this thread understands the seriousness of mental illness.

Originally posted by Charmeine
Could you please stop with the "Go Canada" comments. Just because this person is Canadian, does not means she represents Canada. There are sick people like this all over the world. This one just happened to make the news.

thanks for reading the first word of my post then making this comment.

you realize when people find enjoyment in killing/torturing animals they can progress to humans. the fact she said she fantasies about shooting homeless people and was studying how to avoid being caught, but being stupid (sociopath confidence?) in public, good luck! read about the person i posted i'd be surprised if you never heard about him. her story is almost the same as his.

reply to post by oniraug


Yours was not the only post in reference to Canadians. It bugs me when people read an article about something that happened in Canada and they say, "that's Canada for you" when stuff like this happens everywhere. There has been a few comments throughout this thread.

Originally posted by zedVSzardoz
reply to post by Fromabove

 

I am sorry. That is such a far fetched story I have to ask a little.

So you are related to an Ex-Romanian super soldier, who has killing inscribed into her DNA?

MMM...K

So if you are saying this in earnest and ARE in fact related to her, did SHE tell you this? Or was this like a family issue. Was she the one suspecting such, or was this like something your entire family talked about.

I ask because it sounds like the typical story an adopted orphan makes up about his/ her possible past to cope with being rejected by their biological parents. They make elaborate stories about how or why they were abandoned either vilifying or aggrandizing their biological parents.

You have been here some time so I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you wouldnt lie outright over this one issue. BUT

I mean come on..... give us something. Nameless dictator, soviet super soldier program which the US government just allowed to supply adoptive children to live in the US.....

I am not saying you are a liar. I am asking if the sociopath told you this.

EDIT:
Also I think we are familiar with Romanians. Europeans know them very well. They tend to be VERY violent. Their country would not have the infrastructure to support a super soldier program like the one you describe. The USSR could not do much of anything really after the mid 80´s except do patch work on the POS everything.

SOOOO........I am sorry. I cant believe this. The U-tube link mentions nothing about this super soldier program and you didnt really give us much of anything beyond a "cool story bro"

edit on 9-1-2013 by zedVSzardoz because: (no reason given)

I used quote to stay on topic with the answer.

This was what she told me of her history. She was obsessed with her family history and quite so with the secret program she was supposed to be part of. She only found out that she had a history by her adoptive parents who informed her that she was a "rescue" baby and the circumstances behind that. As to "if" she actually has a history of violent family members to which the Romania dictator sought out as proper for their plans, I don't know. I can only say that she's a sharp as a pin, calculative and a narcissist. My only communication with her was only online for a very brief time to talk about the history. She found out that I was history researcher of sorts and that is how we ending up talking. I wanted to understand her history under communism as much as she wanted to discover it. It ended at that. I never knew of her darker side we know today. That was very well hidden from us all.

Also, I have no blood relation with this girl at all. All of her natural relations live in Romania.

Originally posted by RandyBragg

Originally posted by Avgudar
People who murder animals are the sickest of sickest, and usually has Zionist connections. This is a fact. Look it up.

I thought you said she was a christian on the first few pages of this thread

For first hand knowledge on this, I can say that she is NOT a Christian. She was asked, and no, there is no god in her life. She doesn't believe in God.

reply to post by Unity_99


You must've missed where I had already outlined this. For not reading through all the posts!

Originally posted by Fromabove

Originally posted by RandyBragg

Originally posted by Avgudar
People who murder animals are the sickest of sickest, and usually has Zionist connections. This is a fact. Look it up.

I thought you said she was a christian on the first few pages of this thread

For first hand knowledge on this, I can say that she is NOT a Christian. She was asked, and no, there is no god in her life. She doesn't believe in God.

Yeah we went over that on the first page.

Originally posted by Credenceskynyrd

Originally posted by TWILITE22

Originally posted by TrueBrit
I do not think that this woman should be free to be in the company of human beings, unless she happens to be shackled to a chair, or perhaps a bed, at the time. She is obviously a massive risk to society, and should be institutionalised, since it does not appear that she has ever showed any remorse for those actions she has committed.

Ted Bundy taught us that horrific things sometimes come from minds contained in beautiful skulls. This woman brings it home to me in a way that I have never interacted with before. She is after all, just my type, you know, if you leave out the child porn accusations, the animal killing, the desire to murder the defenseless and all that. By my type I mean statuesque,intellectual, raven haired, deep dark eyes..... Shame there is nothing but hellfire behind them really.

How very depressing.

It is depressing but it begs the question what does the government do with someone like this?
do we lock her up for the future possibly of killing someone or something?

Thought police anyone?

I don't think thats a road we need to go down.Should she be ostracized?
Should there be another type of facility for people like this?Maybe an isolated island for like people?
They can all have fun killing and maiming each other?
Should her face be plastered on every storefront and phone poles?
Should there be a list somewhere warning people of her possible violent history?

What to do with future violent offenders?It's a sticky situation where more laws
usually don't end well for the rest of us.

60 years ago we would have locked this sort of person in an asylum, and we had a MUCH less intrusive state then, get some perspective

No don't get me wrong I agree someone like this doesn't need to be in
the general population,but from the way I understand the law and how it works she will be out there
in the streets and that is what I was trying to bring into the discussion.What to do with people that are a threat to us?

Just like abusers or a wife beater,unless there is evidence of physical violence be it
attempted murder or murder then and only then can something be done legally.Is there or should there be a list of violent offenders?
With the current laws on the books you never know who is living next door to you...

reply to post by FlySolo


Isn't that amazing? releasing a psycho to live among the people and then tell the people to run away? this is not the amazon! and if why wouldn't they send her to a psychiatry instead of living among the ordinary citizens. oh wait, may be it's the budget cuts!

Originally posted by BristolStew
reply to post by FlySolo

 

Isn't that amazing? releasing a psycho to live among the people and then tell the people to run away? this is not the amazon! and if why wouldn't they send her to a psychiatry instead of living among the ordinary citizens. oh wait, may be it's the budget cuts!

I've kept quite because I'm disturbed. Not only because I work with animals to ensure they are safe, own companion animals, but for the safety of people as well. The people of Vancouver really need to speak out, as too a resent of nearby US will see what I can do. If she's a repeat offender as mentioned, then the sentence was too lenient. Clearly this is someone that needs to be monitored, not slipped through the cracks as many before that end up taking numerous lives. Then we wonder where the fault lies.

Originally posted by RandyBragg
It is kind of sad that so many people think we should lock people up for precrime.

We do it with sex offenders, why not for psychopaths?


This woman can't be fixed, like terminal cancer her illness is not going to go away, if she is free in the population she will harm others.

Originally posted by AGWskeptic

Originally posted by RandyBragg
It is kind of sad that so many people think we should lock people up for precrime.

We do it with sex offenders, why not for psychopaths?

no we don't...
We lock up sex offenders over what they did and then they are put on probation or parole.

Originally posted by RandyBragg

Originally posted by AGWskeptic

Originally posted by RandyBragg
It is kind of sad that so many people think we should lock people up for precrime.

We do it with sex offenders, why not for psychopaths?

no we don't...
We lock up sex offenders over what they did and then they are put on probation or parole.

In my state we do.

In Minnesota if a sex offender is classified as a level 3 they can be detained well past their original prison terms, and they often are.

I worked part time at a state security hospital while I was furthering my nursing degree. I asked the head psychiatrist one day if he thought the treatment program was working for one of my patients. He chuckled and asked me if I was straight or gay, and if I was a butt or boob guy. I replied that I was straight and a boob guy.

He then asked, Do you think that with a few years of therapy I could turn you gay? That with meds and group sessions I would stop being aroused by boobs and start craving hairy mens butts?

By the time a person finishes puberty their preferences are set, if little kids or farm animals float your boat nothing in the world can change that.

It's been controversial, but it's working.

reply to post by AGWskeptic

It's been controversial, but it's working.

Not really, its just a money grab all around. Right there you admit that the psychiatrist can in no way help these people but they "treat" them. So how is that working? If a medical doctor just gave chemo to someone they knew it wouldn't help so they could bill the state they would be thrown in jail.
And its not working, studies have shown the opposite.
www.economist.com...
www.economist.com...
www.csom.org...
It is also a myth that they are more likely to offend again than other criminals.

It is noteworthy that recidivism rates for sex offenders are lower than for the general
criminal population. For example, one study of 108,580 non-sex criminals released from
prisons in 11 states in 1983 found that nearly 63% were rearrested for a non-sexual felony
or serious misdemeanor within three years of their release from incarceration; 47% were
reconvicted; and 41% were ultimately returned to prison or jail (Bureau of Justice
Statistics).

The whole thing is just a money grab fueled by emotion.

Originally posted by RandyBragg
reply to post by AGWskeptic

 

It's been controversial, but it's working.

Not really, its just a money grab all around. Right there you admit that the psychiatrist can in no way help these people but they "treat" them. So how is that working? If a medical doctor just gave chemo to someone they knew it wouldn't help so they could bill the state they would be thrown in jail.
And its not working, studies have shown the opposite.
www.economist.com...
www.economist.com...
www.csom.org...
It is also a myth that they are more likely to offend again than other criminals.

It is noteworthy that recidivism rates for sex offenders are lower than for the general
criminal population. For example, one study of 108,580 non-sex criminals released from
prisons in 11 states in 1983 found that nearly 63% were rearrested for a non-sexual felony
or serious misdemeanor within three years of their release from incarceration; 47% were
reconvicted; and 41% were ultimately returned to prison or jail (Bureau of Justice
Statistics).

The whole thing is just a money grab fueled by emotion.

You're misinformed.

Minnesota has very low repeat stats from our lvl 3's and that has been directly attributed to the extra detention. I've seen the studies and read the papers, I worked with them.

The reason the recidivism rates for sex offenders is lower than garden variety offenders can be directly related to the national sex offender database and notification laws. Which shows that paying extra attention to sex offenders works.

But in Minnesota we just take if farther.

Google Dennis Linehan.

www.startribune.com...

And our reoffending rates are lower than states that do not detain past original sentence.