Disney World to track visitors with wireless wristbands

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posted on Jan, 8 2013 @ 04:41 PM
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Interesting thread. I certainly believe that Disney property and entertainment are used as testing grounds.

Speak of the devil, Disney happens to be in the news today as part of an investigation into text messages that were sent to county commissioners right before an upcoming vote.
www.orlandosentinel.com...

Former Orange County Commissioner John Martinez says he can't retrieve texts he deleted with a Walt Disney World lobbyist on the day he voted to keep a sick-time measure off the Nov. 6 ballot.


The three texts Martinez said he deleted that day were with Sharon Smoley, a lobbyist for Walt Disney World, a company which opposes the ballot measure. An outside company recently aided Martinez and other Orange officials in recovering phone data, but like the others, it failed to recover deleted texts.

"I was and am almost certain that these messages were personal in nature," Martinez wrote in a letter last week to county officials. "I have since been unable to access the content of these three texts."


Disney has more control over how things are run than most would believe.

I wonder if Anon could assist him in locating these text messages?
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posted on Jan, 8 2013 @ 04:54 PM
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I never said it did and that doesn't mean the information contained isn't valuable or worth grabbing and when it leads to hotel room access it dosen't seem like to much work.
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posted on Jan, 8 2013 @ 05:18 PM
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Originally posted by Allegorical
Everyone seems to have missed this part of the article:


Compared with many companies foraying deeper into the world of data collection, Disney seems to make it very easy for customers to control what and how much information is shared with whom or to opt out of the program completely.

The New York Times reports that, for example, mascot characters could use the information transmitted by the MagicBands to greet visiting children by name — and even wish them happy birthday if so informed. But parents could also choose not to share their children's information with park employees in that manner.

The Times said a new part of the official Disney World website, called "My Disney Experience," makes it fairly straightforward to manage MagicBand privacy controls for each member of a family. (There's already a MyDisneyExperience app for iOS and Android devices.) Parents could share more information about themselves and less about their children, or choose whether to link a credit card to the wristband or simply use it as a ticket to a park or attraction.


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This bit seems to have been ignored. It's a persons choice to use this. It's a convenience option. That's one of the problems with the human race. We have a lust for convenience. We want everything easier. This is another option given to people so things will be easier. Those little choices you make to use something that makes life a little easier is a choice you made to be controlled.



posted on Jan, 8 2013 @ 05:20 PM
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Anyone who carries a mobile phone shouldn't be worried about any other kind of tracking.

Disney sucks btw.



posted on Jan, 8 2013 @ 06:44 PM
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Yeah it would be funny if I didn't remember these people are walking around out there.

It would be a tragedy if you could actually find lost or abducted kids because of these bracelets in the park...

IN THE PARK ! Your not taking them home or wearing them 24/7, just while your IN THE PARK.

There isn't a conspiracy everywhere, just common sense and I am sure it would make logistics in the park easier



posted on Jan, 8 2013 @ 06:50 PM
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Logistically speaking, it makes sense in an amusement park where children can become lost and need to be located right away.

I could certainly imagine that the elite would like this same idea applied to the entire country. Big brother testing grounds, I tell you.



posted on Jan, 8 2013 @ 07:05 PM
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Originally posted by AvisNigra

Originally posted by havok
These tracking bracelets are unnecessary!

All I know is these things are a convenience, just like these proposed bracelets at DisneyWorld. No one is forcing me or you to use them.

Do you use cellphones, email or banks?


Well, being a member on this site secures the answer to one question.
I use a credit union, so a bank wouldn't be the proper name.
As for a cellphone, surely I am not the last human with a landline?




Originally posted by AvisNigra
You're assuming that everyone is using credit cards or debit cards. We don't. We have debit cards, but do not use them conventionally and we don't use credit cards. Those who use credit cards have bigger worries than some NWO phantom.


That is quite an accomplishment, friend. One to be proud of.
I'm not sure how many things are left that don't require a credit card.
In this day and age, it is quite a feat and one that I am working towards.
I am vehemently against electronic currency although I see it in the future.
Seems everything and everyone is leaning towards more convenience...
Convenience should not equal apathy.

But:
This is a conspiracy website.
There are a plethora of threads about the NWO here.
Obviously you are entitled to your own beliefs, but I wouldn't dis-count the idea.
It is well-rooted and mentioned quite a bit by the rich and powerful.
Search for it an watch a few videos if you haven't already.
There is an agenda afoot. Call it NWO, call it whatever you want.
There are people in power who want more control.
Coming to a nation near you.






posted on Jan, 8 2013 @ 07:07 PM
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Originally posted by Zarniwoop
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it is linked to your credit card, and you personal info all there for any one with an RFID reader to see


I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that Disney has data security professionals on staff and that personal data will be encrypted as part of the design.

Otherwise, Disney would have class-action lawsuits on day 1 of implementation, not to mention huge PCI fines in relation to credit cards.


I would also guess that instead of having credit card info available they instead would have a disney id number. They would then charged your CC in a more secure fashion.



posted on Jan, 8 2013 @ 07:21 PM
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Simply being on the grid, even if you use only cash, allows you to be controlled. Stores/govt do it all the time. They can raise the price on an item to get you to buy another item. Just an example.
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posted on Jan, 8 2013 @ 08:07 PM
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Disney falls under the same privacy and financial protection regs as any corporation. There is no direct link between room cards / RFID bracelets and a guests personal information or financial data.

The requirements are very strict and evolve constantly to counter new threats. The data is fire-walled on separate systems with strong encryption and kept physically isolated from the application side. When you make a purchase in their system using a room card the transaction is completed without your physical credit card / debit card info being involved. Each day the financial systems run a settlement routine that processes the charges onto your form of payment (or at the end of your stay, depending on how they manage guest charges and what limits they place on the amount they will "hold" internally before settlement).

Basically there's no way for anyone to access your credit card number or personal data from the application side (with a guest card or RFID bracelet). All they can access is your name (which is already printed on the cards anyway) and an internal guest ID number.



posted on Jan, 8 2013 @ 08:12 PM
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This small introduction isn't the problem, one must look at the bigger picture. First they introduced this in credit cards/debit cards, then they introduced it as a method to track your animals, then it was a "cool new idea" for stores, and amusement parks. Now its being used on medical patients to quickly identify their blood type etc..

All perfectly reasonable, and even helpful introductions, if you don't look at the bigger picture....

Do you all think those pushing this actually care about you, and your children?

No, this is a process known as incrementation, and its all about slowly integrating us into the control grid. We are chattel, livestock, and we are utilized as such to the fullest extent. However, there is a problem, we still have the internet, free thought, and the ability to purchase things in a almost untraceable fashion. This is a big problem for anyone wanting to consolidate complete control, and it makes it possible to arm/create a rebellion, which is the prime threat to those in power.

When we are all chipped, there is no way to purchase ANYTHING without their approval....

Anyways if this technology is so great, why don't the rich people get chipped first?

I am sure all the major corporate CEO's will love to show us how "safe" this technology is.....



posted on Jan, 8 2013 @ 08:14 PM
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I love the way people freak out over RFID when they really don't understand the technology OR its limitations. You simply read the words "tracking device" or "radio frequency technology" and think it's Eagle Eye come to life.

RFID technology does not work that way. It is a PASSIVE technology. That means that the chip in the wristband must pass within a few inches (typically) with an RFID reader in order for information to be transmitted. There are longer range readers but they are very expensive and typically don't reach more than a few feet at most.

Furthermore, as someone already mentioned (thank you for your sound reasoning), it is a LOGICAL LINK. There will be NO personal information encoded on the chip in your bracelet. The ONLY THING on the bracelet is a unique identifier...i.e. a number. Within Disney's computer system, they will match that identifier to your account. Everything is safely encrypted both in the wristband AND in the system. These controls are mandated based upon security standards. For example, any retailer or bank that houses banking information is REQUIRED BY LAW to maintain certain security control standards around that sensitive information. Same thing for SSN's.

About the only "threat" that will come from the wristband is that Security at Disney will be able to tell which rides you got on and could use that information to "track you" through the park. This is essentially no different than law enforcement tracking your cellphone from tower to tower (only Disney won't need to use triangulation).
So...if you feel it is a major invasion of your privacy for Disney to know what rides you got on or where you at for lunch, then by all means....don't go to Disney.

On an economic side, this a financially smart move for Disney. There are many benefits for them as far as running a business goes....



posted on Jan, 8 2013 @ 08:36 PM
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Thank you for answering my question.


Originally posted by havok

Originally posted by AvisNigra

Originally posted by havok
These tracking bracelets are unnecessary!

All I know is these things are a convenience, just like these proposed bracelets at DisneyWorld. No one is forcing me or you to use them.

Do you use cellphones, email or banks?


Well, being a member on this site secures the answer to one question.
I use a credit union, so a bank wouldn't be the proper name.
As for a cellphone, surely I am not the last human with a landline?




Originally posted by AvisNigra
You're assuming that everyone is using credit cards or debit cards. We don't. We have debit cards, but do not use them conventionally and we don't use credit cards. Those who use credit cards have bigger worries than some NWO phantom.


That is quite an accomplishment, friend. One to be proud of.
I'm not sure how many things are left that don't require a credit card.
In this day and age, it is quite a feat and one that I am working towards.
I am vehemently against electronic currency although I see it in the future.
Seems everything and everyone is leaning towards more convenience...
Convenience should not equal apathy.

But:
This is a conspiracy website.
There are a plethora of threads about the NWO here.
Obviously you are entitled to your own beliefs, but I wouldn't dis-count the idea.
It is well-rooted and mentioned quite a bit by the rich and powerful.
Search for it an watch a few videos if you haven't already.
There is an agenda afoot. Call it NWO, call it whatever you want.
There are people in power who want more control.
Coming to a nation near you.







posted on Jan, 8 2013 @ 08:37 PM
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Not sure why you directed this to me. Did you mean to address someone else?


Originally posted by mwood
reply to post by AvisNigra
 


Yeah it would be funny if I didn't remember these people are walking around out there.

It would be a tragedy if you could actually find lost or abducted kids because of these bracelets in the park...

IN THE PARK ! Your not taking them home or wearing them 24/7, just while your IN THE PARK.

There isn't a conspiracy everywhere, just common sense and I am sure it would make logistics in the park easier



posted on Jan, 8 2013 @ 10:58 PM
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First, this is creepy, but I'm not sure why everyone is getting freaked out over RFID chips in Disney Land.

You should be more freaked out that the chips are in your passport. Not to mention almost all phones now can be tracked via GPS.


news.passportoffices.us...


The one thing that creeps me out is people who get these chips implanted in their arms. They actually volunteer for it.

It all comes down to the person I guess. It seems people could care less now about their private information (Facebook, twitter and other social networks) Maybe it's social engineering to get people to not think much of privacy? I mean, look at the Patriot Act for example, most people could care less about the Gov. reading their emails. It's that "well if you're not doing anything wrong you shouldn't have to worry about it" mentality.

When I hear that, I always think of this quote.





First they came for the communists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for the socialists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me.


-Martin Niemöller

The next few years are going to be one heck of a ride.



posted on Jan, 8 2013 @ 10:59 PM
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This is actually good because last time I was there, people had their kids on leashes like dogs so they didnt get lost... bright pink and bright orange leashes... come on. Yes I welcome the wristbands...



posted on Jan, 9 2013 @ 01:56 AM
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RFID technology I can choose to have on my person, perhaps even customize to add convenience to my life or save time or the use of it in the way Disney is doing? Cool, no problems.

Involuntary, permanent tracking such as the implant chip? Completely different story.

It really concerns me how people can't separate a "thing" vs. the manner in which it's used. "Guns are evil, knives are evil, non cash currency is evil", etc, etc.

Don't waste your time fighting "things" or even the non harmful use of them. Your energy is much better spent making sure the government is not allowed to step over the line where those things are used for evil.



posted on Jan, 9 2013 @ 02:39 AM
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Originally posted by phishyblankwaters

Now, without digging into this further, I'd have to assume these would be using active RFID, meaning the bracelet itself is actively powered. Passive RFID is the type most people are used to, fast pass at the toll booth or gas station, etc etc, these only work when they receive power from a rfid reader.


Unlikely. They're probably e-field parts you can read from 30 meters or so. It's the only thing that fits the description of use. Active = $$$, batteries, no point.



posted on Jan, 9 2013 @ 03:26 AM
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Originally posted by BlueAjah
The article says that the characters in the park will even be able to greet your child by name, because they will know they are coming.


That's rather convenient for the pedos that run that show, isn't it?



posted on Jan, 9 2013 @ 05:43 AM
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A freind of my mother went to disneyland with her three children and some time during the day the eldest girl had wandered off and her mother was looking frantically for her.when an old couple came up to her and told her that they would watch her two younger children, a boy and a girl for her. When she finally found her daughter to cut a long story short she found that the old couple that had seemed so nice and helpfull had stolen her kids. To this day she has no idea what happened to them and the FBI have told her that there is usually three options with kidnapped children like this and that is they end up usually either sold in the us for adoption or sold in the saudi emerates as there is a high demand for blonde children which they were or child sex slavery. I think the wrist bands are probably a good idea and if they were around then she may have had more info for the authorities to go on.





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