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posted on Jan, 9 2013 @ 08:49 AM
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Ben Swann won... with the facts. Morgan has always is a hack.




posted on Jan, 9 2013 @ 09:24 AM
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OK, first off I don't like Morgan. And secondly, Jones, although right, he came off like a total idiot. I've listened to his show many time but I can't stand is rants. He sounds like a total maniac. Now, if he would calm down he would attract so much more listeners. If I didn't know him and came across the interview I would of changed the channel. WHat the hell was with the Britt accent? Took away all his credibility,



posted on Jan, 9 2013 @ 09:37 AM
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Originally posted by XLR8R
reply to post by TheMindWar
 


OK, first off I don't like Morgan. And secondly, Jones, although right, he came off like a total idiot. I've listened to his show many time but I can't stand is rants. He sounds like a total maniac. Now, if he would calm down he would attract so much more listeners. If I didn't know him and came across the interview I would of changed the channel. WHat the hell was with the Britt accent? Took away all his credibility,


either alex jones is in on this, or, he is such an idiot that he didn't realize he was being set up. alex jones from now on, will be dismissed no matter what "truths" he actually produces, because he didn't prepare himself to be calm, precise, and level -headed.



posted on Jan, 9 2013 @ 09:40 AM
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that video above, although no doubt meant in good faith, is filled with the usual fox subversion.

His entire argument rests on the fact that the u.s have a lower violent crime rate than the uk.

He fails to take into account that the usa has a population of over 311.5 million citizens. The uk has 62.6 million.

With that amount of people, of course your crime stats will be lower than the uk's

The REAL stats to take into account on this issue should be:

USA - how many gun homicides per 311.5 million citizens

UK - how many gun homicides per 62.6 million citizens

Oh look, we already have those stats - and the uk is lower because we don't have easy access to firearms.



posted on Jan, 9 2013 @ 09:41 AM
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I'd love to say Jones made his point well, but to the normal clueless man and woman on the street he really just does come across as the labeled 'gun nut' I'm seeing all over the interweb. Sad but true I reckon.
He completely cocked up a perfectly excellent opportunity to show the masses the 'other side' of the argument... ahh well.
I'm no gun advocate, but I can understand Americans wanting to defend themselves against their government with more than pistols/rifles/what have you.
I wish the discussions everywhere were about medication and how to stop this kind of thing happening again from that angle.



posted on Jan, 9 2013 @ 09:52 AM
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Alex jones once got into a fight with a man in a restaurant parking lot, he got beat up so badly that he threatened to have the man arrested by the FBI for child porn charges as Jones claimed he had "powerful" friends in the Goverment. He had to get his dad, Bob, to scare the man off. Jones went on the radio the next day and claimed he was jumped by several knife-wielding assailants who hated freedom and wanted jones dead. He told his listeners that he fought them off with only his fists, telling the the attackers "I'm not afraid!".

Alex fight to have this story deleted from the Internet, even today.



posted on Jan, 9 2013 @ 09:52 AM
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Originally posted by XLR8R
reply to post by TheMindWar
 


OK, first off I don't like Morgan. And secondly, Jones, although right, he came off like a total idiot. I've listened to his show many time but I can't stand is rants. He sounds like a total maniac. Now, if he would calm down he would attract so much more listeners. If I didn't know him and came across the interview I would of changed the channel. WHat the hell was with the Britt accent? Took away all his credibility,


i think morgan is actually quite brillant...he booked alex jones, for the purpose of discussing gun rights, a clear red flag if i ever seen one, and alex jones should have seen it. he did his homework, and knew alex jones would go off like he did. people who watched this, would now have a stereotype planted in their mind of who the "2nd amendment" types really are......brillant piers brilliant, mission accomplished



posted on Jan, 9 2013 @ 09:54 AM
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reply to post by sabsy
 


What a shill you are.

All that matters is the crime rate, not the gun death rate.

And if you look at the stats, the gun killing rate is high because of gangbangers, who commit 75% of the murders... legalize drugs and the numbers of murder will plummet.



posted on Jan, 9 2013 @ 09:54 AM
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In my opinion Morgan won hands down.

Cool Calm Collectiveness beats Deranged, Psychotic Ramblings any Day of the Week

Whenever there is some kind of popular uprising, TPTB actively seek out the most Deranged, Radical, Unstable Lunatics to give plenty off Air Time - and Enough Rope. In this case Alex Jones.

This Stratergy worked to Destroy

Occupy Wall Street


The Tea Party Movement


The Union Protests


And Now

The 2nd Amendment


Gun owners have no-one but themselves to blame for not quickly distancing themselves from this Raving Lunatic.

Alex Jones has put a Question Mark on the Sanity of all Gun Owners.

Why do you continue to support a man who is doing more harm to your Personal Liberties than Good.

For the sake of your 2nd Amendment - Denounce this man and find a Spokesman who is Cool, Calm and Collected.



posted on Jan, 9 2013 @ 09:55 AM
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I feel it is a bit of a damned if you do, damned if you don't kind of situation, as I can see the logic in both sides. We do not have a gun society here but there has been / is a lot of knife problems, so much so that there was a knife amnesty held several years ago to try and get them off the streets as weapons.
I think the problem is, if you are going to be a bad person you will always find something to use to hurt others regardless if it is legal or not. I despair at the human race some times and don't understand why people do the horrible things that they do.



posted on Jan, 9 2013 @ 10:01 AM
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OK, now is the time to start this idea. We need to start early and talk about it a lot, and also start funneling money into the cause. There is only one option available to us right now, and unfortunately, "right now" is critical in order to win the war. Outspoken, almost crazy sounding is important. We need these guys early andf often so that everyone understands that "crazy" is not necessarily a bad thing.

For that reason, I pledge my support, both as a speaker and with my pocketbook (!) for our next executive branch leaders: Alex Jones and Jesse Ventura for President and Vice President on the GOP ticket. These names alone WILL send a message as to how extreme and serious we are in recognizing the massive conspiracies and threats to America.

Let everyone know - speak up, no matter how fringelike it seems - fake moon landings, faked massacres in Newtown and Aurora, much less on 9-11, when absolutely NOTHING happened at all. Let middle America understand how they need to learn that conspiracy and false flags are always daily events. Did you know that every single fire truck, police car and ambulance in Amerika has ben painted with thermite paint? Do you understand that every single IV started in every patient in every single ER in this Kountry includes an electronic marker chip? The horror is out there, and only a new presidential team will save us. Make sure that you will only support a ticket that knows of conspiracies and intends on making sure sucession from this decayed Union is the ONLY choice left.

Make sure you support the GOP in'16 - God said they will.



posted on Jan, 9 2013 @ 10:18 AM
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Originally posted by opthetan
OK, now is the time to start this idea. We need to start early and talk about it a lot, and also start funneling money into the cause. There is only one option available to us right now, and unfortunately, "right now" is critical in order to win the war. Outspoken, almost crazy sounding is important. We need these guys early andf often so that everyone understands that "crazy" is not necessarily a bad thing.

For that reason, I pledge my support, both as a speaker and with my pocketbook (!) for our next executive branch leaders: Alex Jones and Jesse Ventura for President and Vice President on the GOP ticket. These names alone WILL send a message as to how extreme and serious we are in recognizing the massive conspiracies and threats to America.

Let everyone know - speak up, no matter how fringelike it seems - fake moon landings, faked massacres in Newtown and Aurora, much less on 9-11, when absolutely NOTHING happened at all. Let middle America understand how they need to learn that conspiracy and false flags are always daily events. Did you know that every single fire truck, police car and ambulance in Amerika has ben painted with thermite paint? Do you understand that every single IV started in every patient in every single ER in this Kountry includes an electronic marker chip? The horror is out there, and only a new presidential team will save us. Make sure that you will only support a ticket that knows of conspiracies and intends on making sure sucession from this decayed Union is the ONLY choice left.

Make sure you support the GOP in'16 - God said they will.


To shamelessly quote myself



Whenever there is some kind of popular uprising, TPTB actively seek out the most Deranged, Radical, Unstable Lunatics to give plenty off Air Time - and Enough Rope.


Are you a Paid Shill?



posted on Jan, 9 2013 @ 10:28 AM
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Alex jones and jesse ventura will never get anywhere near a leadership ticket. what leadership qualities do they have? Jones has no personable skills at all (that much is evident from one video), and no prior history of public service other than ranting on a radio about anything conspiratorial to gain advertising revenue.

If you seriously, honestly believe these people have your country's best interests at heart, and you're willing to give your party's chances of securing an election next term to someone like alex jones - you're no less in need of professional help than he is.

And I love how i've been called a shill for backing up my opinion with factual evidence. What a warm welcome to this site.



posted on Jan, 9 2013 @ 10:34 AM
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Originally posted by Pedro4077
In my opinion Morgan won hands down.

Cool Calm Collectiveness beats Deranged, Psychotic Ramblings any Day of the Week

This Stratergy worked to Destroy

Occupy Wall Street




Has the mother ship since beamed them up?

I have to agree with you on the calm and collected beats psychotic and emotional point of view. Emotions are good to accentuate what you have to say, but they should not be relied upon to carry your entire argument, or used to dominate opposing arguments.



posted on Jan, 9 2013 @ 11:24 AM
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Personally I don't think there was a debate, it was a rant from Alex Jones, who came across as an tyrannical paranoid idiot, who spouted an awful lot of nonsense, and contradicted himself. I've never really put much credence in Jone's opinions or theories, although I know a lot of people do and will be defending him, so I expect to be roasted, for thinking he is mad as a bag of tits, and shouldn't be allowed to own 1 gun never mind 50. (Why do you need 50 guns?) As much as I hate Piers Morgan, as most people from the UK do, I think Morgan came out on top, I'd imagine the people at CNN figured Alex Jones would rant away, and gave him enough rope to hang himself, which is what he did.

It's up to Americans what you do or don't do with your gun laws, although people should be allowed to comment on them without being bullied and screamed at by a nutter, I think Alex Jones has given the pro gun lobby a kick in the nuts with his behaviour and only strengthened the argument for stricter gun laws.

Yes guns don't kill people, people do, but if the shooter at that school had not been armed with an array of weaponry and armed with an iron bar or a knife, he would have killed less people and more than likely been tackled by someone quicker. All I'll say is a gun is specifically designed as weapon, a knife or iron bar isn't. At the end of the day it's up to the American to decide what their gun laws mean, it needs a proper non-partisan debate and cooler heads than Alex Jones.

Peace



posted on Jan, 9 2013 @ 12:06 PM
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Sadly this has nothing to do with who won or lost the debate because people do not think that way. People base decisions off whom they like or know about, not the information being talked about.

If you hate or don't like Jones you say Piers, and vice versa.

Same thing with Republicans and Democrats, you vote the party even if you don't like what they are saying its totally asinine.

If you think this isn't true just read these replies and I guarantee you can figure out who thinks Jones is a nutjob and who thinks he is not. It's self evident.



posted on Jan, 9 2013 @ 12:14 PM
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Has everyone forgot what Alex Jones said when Y2K was approaching? He was fearmongering. His Zionist overlords wants to cause mayhem and destruction, that's what they are all about.
I do believe he is a sincere human being, though. A bit hyperactive, perhaps.

I'm sick and tired of his crap about video games being harmful and his talk about atheists being satanists.
edit on 9-1-2013 by Avgudar because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 9 2013 @ 12:15 PM
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Kind of like when Piers had Larry Pratt on and talked over him, calling him a "very stupid man".
OH! But it was done in a calm Brit accent, so that made it acceptable.

Piers got what's coming to him.



posted on Jan, 9 2013 @ 01:37 PM
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i heard people discussing this interview today in the UK. heres what i heard

"who was that rambling fat guy? what a prat"

lol, here you have it. everyone who never knew Alex, now knows him as a maniac !



posted on Jan, 9 2013 @ 02:43 PM
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Really? If true, that's pretty insane. Where, if anywhere, is the story or proof of this? It's a pretty serious allegation to make without proof, so there's no way I can believe this in good conscience without some sort of evidence.

I don't follow AJ or any of his affiliated sites, I only know what I've seen from his show and online videos, mostly posted to forums such as this. I've always thought he was a kook with the wrong idea and possibly just a good conscience. If what you're saying is true, it's pretty sickening.






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