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Topic started on 8-1-2013 @ 01:46 AM by zedVSzardoz
I have a question I can not find explained adequately enough that I finally understand the answer.

I was wondering, If the light we see here on earth emanating from space is sometimes millions of years old, how can we see real time events like super novas exploding, or other such events that we measure?

Are those events actually a time lapse photo from the past?

If so, does our entire knowledge base come from events that happened many years ago?

Also, if this is true then would our knowledge of the universe be knowledge of how it was millions of years ago and not how it actually is now?

Like if the images we got back from the rovers on mars took millions of years to get back to earth, we would not know how it is now, we would see images of how it was when it first landed. Similarly if the light we see and measure the universe by is so old, then might the stars we observe not even exist anymore?

I would venture to say, basing my argument off my assumptions, that the universe may then not be expanding anymore. It may in fact be dissolved already or be in a state of "crunch" where somehow gravitational forces have begun to crush it all together again.

How long would our perception of any event in the universe take for us to observe it.

Like if mars was destroyed by an asteroid, we would have some lag time until we received the images here on earth. Similarly, how long would it take for the measurable observations to change for us if the universe stopped expanding?


Thanks in advance.

EDIT:
Also how do gravitational distortions of time factor in?

EDIT TO ADD:
I understand we measure certain wave frequencies of light to see how it progresses through the universe, BUT wouldn't that light, even from what ever particular part of the spectrum be subject to the same time lapse and distortion as the full spectrum?

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reply posted on 8-1-2013 @ 02:14 AM by chr0naut
reply to post by zedVSzardoz



We do not have any way to see what is happening instantaneously. We have to wait until light from the distant event gets to us.



reply posted on 8-1-2013 @ 02:22 AM by zedVSzardoz
reply to post by teslahowitzer



yeah,
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Another concept that this places into question is the rate of expansion and the uniform temperature of the universe.

They are both supposed to be constant. Well, if our observations are old news, sort to speak, who is to say that they are constant now. Taking the big bang theory at face value: what if the universe WAS uniform and expanding at a constant rate when it was closer together, but now those variables that we measure have changed and we still have not had a change in our perception of it due to our distance from those things we measure?

It is fun to think about in any event.

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reply posted on 8-1-2013 @ 02:25 AM by zedVSzardoz
reply to post by Verbatim19



That is an interesting concept.

If time is subject to gravity and our perception of it is as well, then would a universe with less gravitational distortion due to its far expanded nature have different laws of time on the outer reaches as compared to its "core" because of the distance between gravitational fields of matter?

If so , would our perception of time change as we moved farther out?

Would times rate of progress increase or decrease?

In either event, we would have a different perception and rate of progress of time than people still on earth.

If we are traveling on a space ship planet, then has our rate of times progression changed on earth?

Can I see myself in the future as I cross into a different gravitational distortion that speeds up the rate of time?
Can I perceive that time if somehow there is a subatomic link between consciences?

Does that link (if it exists) grow stronger as matter is spaced out more or if it is packed together more?

Does subspace exist, and if so, is earth there already in a the distant future after traveling long enough to reach a different area with less gravitational distortion, but somehow it is still connected to its previous state while still in transit?

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reply posted on 8-1-2013 @ 02:33 AM by Verbatim19
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That is something to consider, i guess i would prefer to be in the center of the universe so i know that what i see is what's happening around me in real time. but would the speed of light increase and decrease in relation to where you are in the universe?


reply posted on 8-1-2013 @ 02:35 AM by zedVSzardoz
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Another concept this problem puts into question.

IS the speed of light constant all through out the universe, or only so here?


reply posted on 8-1-2013 @ 02:46 AM by zedVSzardoz
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We could be circling a super massive black hole and not even know it. OR we could have collided with the Andromeda galaxy already, but due to the excess gravity distorting our perception and bending the light we can see, we think it has not happened yet. Like we exist in a time bubble due to the matter already inside of it, WHICH may have already popped.

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