reply to post by GoOfYFoOt
But, didn't our guns prevent a Japanese invasion during WWII???
Are you serious????????????????????????????????????????????????
Not sure if I can agree with that. By all accounts Japan never tried to win a head to head war vs the US. They wanted to keep a steady rythm of
victories over them, while establishing a double layer of ring defences on the pacific (phillipines-marianas-marcus island was the inner,
NG-solomons-Marshalls-wake-eastern aleutians was the outter) to convince the US that a counterattack was unfeasible. They never intended to invade the
US mainland as such, as far as I can tell.
Midway was never in the initial plans of Japan when the war started. It was out of the twin concentric defence rings they planned to set up in the
pacific, and too far from the mainland (and too close to Hawaii) to set an easy invasion. The reasons to attack Midway rested mostly in the aftermath
of the doolittle raid over tokyo. Pearl Harbor had crippled the US battleline but their carriers were still unharmed, and Yamamoto wanted those
carriers to be sunk at all costs. The attack on Tokyo was an insult to the Japanese armed forces (and the IJN in particular), and had been launched
from carriers. And the US Carrier striking force was the only offensive weapon left in US inventory by then, so it only made sense to force a major
battle to trap and sink them. Midway was intended to be that battle, the island was of secondary or even tertiary importance, what Yamamoto wanted was
the US carriers...things turned out to be pretty different tho.
Had Midway been a Japanese victory what would've happened?...probably not much. Hawaii was out of the scope of probable (or even possible) japanese
targets because it was almost unfeasible to successfully invade it-it would've overstretched the japanese navy to the point of rupture.
US mainland was completely out of question-the distances involved were extreme.Remember aswell that both to invade hawaii and/or the Eastern US a lot
of troops would've been needed. The Navy did not have enough manpower to pull something like that (the Japanese Marine force was mostly based on
regimental combat teams for amphib operations of limited scope), and the Army was:
1-Absolutely not going to cooperate with the navy, at least not easily (japanese Army-Navy rivalry was extreme, they fought each other constantly).
That would mean that one of the key points of any long range invasion like Hawaii or US would be poisoned from the start -no interbranch cooperation
meant the operation would be a disaster from the start.
2-already heavily commited both in China, Burma/India, and New Guinea. There was a hefty manpower reserve in Manchukuo but neither the Imperial staff
nor the Army staff wanted to weaken that force too much because they wanted it to act as a deterrent against possible Soviet agression. The Japanese
Army without taking large units out of Manchukuo-which was politically impossible to pull off, would've had no resources to mount a successful large
scale invasion in the US Mainland.
3-Lack of proper amphibious resources. The japanese landings at the start of the war were doing against unprepared enemies, and using barely adequate
ships as amphibious transports. To land in USA would be very very different than landing on, say, Legaspi. The scope of the operation would be much
different, the ammount of troops to be landed ,too, the distances from the Japanese supply sources (the mainland) would be all the way across the
pacific meaning enormous travel times for the supply convoys, and Japan had not enough ships to keep such a invasion supplied.
Those 3 points were well known for all the IMperial staff and of course by the IJA. They would've never agreed to such an operation. There's also
the important part of intel and recce. It was nigh impossible for Japan to conduct a proper recconaisance over the US mainland, and it would've been
very difficult to the point of almost impossible to conduct a proper research on the possible landing locations.
We all know the ammount of preparation work the landings on Normandy needed, and the immense logistical problems faced by the allied force in france
afterwards after one of the mulberries was put out of order, cherbourg port destroyed by the germans, and Antwerp not captured until late in 1944. The
japanese had quite a stretch of water to cross (quite bigger than the Channel), no Mulberries at all (they were an allied improvisation), and
would've needed a similar or bigger ammount of troops to succesfully invade US mainland.
Nope-it was impossible. Japan never planned nor intended to invade the US mainland. It was well out of reach for them, and they always knew it.
Your argument relating to American being armed.............Invalid and a fail.
Learn some history.