Freemasons inside our banks? PHOTO EVIDENCE

reply to post by thelongjourney


I won't knock you for believing what they tell you, but just think about it for a minute.
What year in history did the Masons start paying dues?
Imagine this scenario, the treasurer of a Masonic lodge enters a bank to deposit the dues. His fellow brother is the bank manager and fixes it so the lodge is making, oh say, 13% on the money in that account. Again, how many members in each lodge? Figure in the fact that they aren't paying taxes on this earned interest.

Finally, each lodge usually displays what year it was established. This tells us which lodges are richer and more powerful than others.

I'm also wondering what bank(s) most lodges invest in. If I were a Mason and my money was being depositied into Bank of America, I'd be upset. Are any lodges set up with credit unions?

What year was the lodge you belong to established?

reply to post by flyswatter


Please don't turn this into a racist/religious debate.

Corruption is everywhere. We've seen it in the churches. We're seeing it in the UK care houses and politics. We're seeing it right now in small town police departments and prosecutors' offices. Why should anyone believe that the Masons are the only ones who are above corruption when we're seeing weakness everywhere else? Everyone should know by now that we must keep close eyes on all charitable groups and organizations. Everyone should be able to rest assured that money is flowing to the proper channels and that those who are supposed to be managing it are doing it in an honest and responsible manner. It's becoming quite apparent that we just can't accept people's words anymore. It's time to start demanding documentary proof to make sure that everyone is following the rules.

Are any lodges audited regularly by an oversight committee that has no connections to the lodge they're charged with overseeing?

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

Originally posted by mblahnikluver
For instance. If you are a new member then how do you know what the top ranking ones do?!

Because you can get to the 'top rank' in about 3 months.

That's what a relative of mine thinks.
He mostly operates on a quiet resentment of no longer getting any action anyway.

Do I feel bad for saying this? Why should I when he told me this himself, personally complained to me about his deprivation outside where his wife could not hear.
He resents having to do things for people like some kind of handyman but that's the role he insists upon playing by making others feel like they can do nothing without his help. His wife told me one day about a lack of water from their pump & how he was out there fixing it & had it tied in with the pump across the street until he could fix it "because he wasn't just going to leave his wife without water"

All the properties in the neighborhood are on independent wells. They cannot be legally tied together by pipes going under the road & there was no hose going across the street. He told me he took the motor out of her car & she doesn't know about it because she wanted him to fix it for her. He is constantly trying to make some kind of fool out of her but I cannot tell her because she is sick, weak, needs to regain her strength.

I wouldn't sleep with him either. There's no telling who the last person he's been with.
Another relative told me he showed them pictures of him having sex with someone on his phone, but that his wife won't submit to him.

WELL WHO WAS THE OTHER PERSON IN THE DAMN PICTURE THEN?

Anyway... he's held a steady job for a very long time but doesn't have a whole lot to show for it.

He told me he was made a grand master by freemasons and got all the way to the top.

It does not matter what those liars tell you to get your loyalty. if your last name is not an important last name, such as Rockefeller, you will never be "at the top" of the freemason chain.

Coarse then again he also thinks he can get some action by dousing himself in pheromones derived from urine so does it really matter what kind of illusion some freemasons hold?

He gave me some really bad advice that could have gotten me seriously injured or killed.

He's got this lump that looks like it could be an implant or something but won't have it looked at.

He told me himself that he has thoughts that he knows he would not normally think & is constantly wondering why he thinks these things.

It's sad really.

Like I said, he's had a steady job & can fix things and take them apart but doesn't have a lot of things of his own to show for it because he tends to obsess on sex and controversy, making people turn against each other so that they will not tell on him. He resents her so much & complains about how she treats him looking for sympathy but wears a mask so that others will think she bosses him around.

Her nerves are simply shot from living with a cardboard personality & I don't blame her one bit for snapping at him.
I wouldn't have given him a tiny FRACTION of this chance to be an upstanding man.

He's been made some kind of low level pawn. It's pointless & serves no good but that's how they like their recruitments.

I write all this because I'm trying to illustrate how it destroys lives to be the type of man to join a secret society that operates on distorting the truth. It is so habitual for him to operate on mistruth that he lies to her about the most petty, most ridiculous things, including much bigger things I fear.

I used to like him because he's good at wearing masks... but he is not truthworthy... & he is actually a danger to himself & especially others playing silly games & not being able to get control of his own mind.

Don't follow this path.

A man's job as a husband is not to continuously hide things from his wife to keep her hushed up & immobile then just expect her to fulfill his needs.

That crap doesn't work just like the global game of deception will not work.

When does it end?

When we stop putting up with it.

Anyway... he brought his problems to ME.

I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt for a long, long time.

So many people around him have told me all sorts of things because he is more transparent than he can possibly imagine. He can't seem to put it all together.

He gives fakeness... he gets it in return.

I'm sorry but that is how it works.

I know he wouldn't want me to publicize who he is, but he should not have laid his shame at my feet.

This is nowhere NEAR the worst I can do!

If he does not stop messing with me, names and all will go public to everyone I know and on the net because I have my own website. I'm just trying to make my way. It should not have been complicated by this mess. Case workers, electricians (codes) the police... many reports to give.

A MAN WHO LIVES BY SECRET PACTS IS NOT MY PROBLEM TO SORT OUT!!!

Originally posted by Afterthought
reply to post by thelongjourney

 

I won't knock you for believing what they tell you, but just think about it for a minute.
What year in history did the Masons start paying dues?
Imagine this scenario, the treasurer of a Masonic lodge enters a bank to deposit the dues. His fellow brother is the bank manager and fixes it so the lodge is making, oh say, 13% on the money in that account. Again, how many members in each lodge? Figure in the fact that they aren't paying taxes on this earned interest.

Finally, each lodge usually displays what year it was established. This tells us which lodges are richer and more powerful than others.

I'm also wondering what bank(s) most lodges invest in. If I were a Mason and my money was being depositied into Bank of America, I'd be upset. Are any lodges set up with credit unions?

What year was the lodge you belong to established?

With all due respect to you, any discussion about this issue that has phrases like "believing what they tell you" shows that you really just don't understand what freemasonry is on a fundamental level. The organizations founding principle - its DEFINING CHARACTERISTIC - is that everyone is equal. There is no "they" to tell me anything. Anyone with officer "power" internally is elected to that position from the membership, and for one year terms only, and then they go back to being just a regular member. The activities of the lodge are public in terms of what we do and when we do it are quite public and posted for all to see, even if the meetings themselves are members only. The lodge books are open for me and anyone else to inspect at any time.

I really dont think you understand how dues work - they aren't there for a profit center and never have been. They exist to (1) keep the lights on and (2) give money to charity. My lodge was founded in the early 1900s, but our annual dues have NEVER kept pace with inflation. The year a lodge was founded has nothing to do with its relative investments - lodges built in the 1800s have had to shut down due to not enough money to keep up the buildings. Further, no one can "fix" any special interest rate just because were masons, that goes 100% against our oaths. In any case, it wouldn't matter when the dues coming in go to pay for monthly bills and annual charitable giving - again, the interest rate on $0 balance is still $0 no matter how far back in time the lodge has been operating.

99% of lodges don't "invest" in anything. They are run on shoe string budgets. We keep our checking account at a local bank - the lodge down the street banks at BoA. Neither of us is rolling in the money, how could you when everyone is only pay $50-$100 a month?

Originally posted by NotAnAspie
That's what a relative of mine thinks.

You know what always amazes me? Is people love telling these stories as if it means something. So you happen to know someone you don't like who claims to be a mason. What just floors me is that the statements hes making are 100% incorrect and you'd know that if you did 5 minutes on google. Your last name means nothing in masonry. The vast majority of them are great people. He claims to be a Grand Master, but a Grand Master means being elected the head of a state level lodge, and frankly thats a small enough number of people that I would highly doubt anyone telling me that story, especially if they thought it was something to brag about (most GM's I know see it as a type of community service and its a very bureaucratic task..not much to brag about).

But it doesn't matter. Its someone you don't like, and he claims to be a mason, so lets take everything as true and disparage 3+ million people for it.

Originally posted by Afterthought
Are any lodges audited regularly by an oversight committee that has no connections to the lodge they're charged with overseeing?

Why should they be? Do you have any evidence of corruption in freemasonry? Its funny, I don't know of any non-profit organization in the entire world who has an "oversight committee" made up by people who have no connection with the organization, but for some reason you think freemasonry should?

More proof that most freemasons are just low rung lackies.

Those up top don't give 2 craps about old local lodge buildings. The ones up top have their meeting in expensive high rises.

Leaving the low rung lackies in the dark helps to fuel that fear of being made obsolete.

If you fear you are being made obsolete, you will just be more combative toward your new socialist government. It's all just part of the plan so go hug your fire arms and wait for the commies & jihadists to come and continue to keep a nice secret lock down from those in your community who you think can't possibly understand the world.

... because they're woman and according to freemason misogyny, women don't need to know these things... they just need to keep spreading their legs.

Hint-hint.... They're not coming. If they want the dirt under your feet they'll just buy it.

... and you CAN thank the stupid freemasons before you that set up this system that they knew would collapse and drive us all into war.

Here's another hint... We're onto the game.

Originally posted by NotAnAspie
More proof that most freemasons are just low rung lackies.

Those up top don't give 2 craps about old local lodge buildings. The ones up top have their meeting in expensive high rises.

Leaving the low rung lackies in the dark helps to fuel that fear of being made obsolete.

If you fear you are being made obsolete, you will just be more combative toward your new socialist government. It's all just part of the plan so go hug your fire arms and wait for the commies & jihadists to come and continue to keep a nice secret lock down from those in your community who you think can't possibly understand the world.

... because they're woman and according to freemason misogyny, women don't need to know these things... they just need to keep spreading their legs.

Hint-hint.... They're not coming. If they want the dirt under your feet they'll just buy it.

... and you CAN thank the stupid freemasons before you that set up this system that they knew would collapse and drive us all into war.

Here's another hint... We're onto the game.

Really? Wheres you proof? We get it, you are blinded by hatred by someone who claims to be a mason. Instead of hyper focusing on that claim, especially when the things they've said indicate they are not in fact a mason, why don't you do some actual research?

Oh don't do that, then you'd find out you've been hating 3 million people and putting them into conspiracy fantasies for no reason. Instead you are making completely insane allegations - if your going to do that, provide the evidence. Give me the names and lodge numbers of these all powerful "masons up top" meeting in expensive high rises.

Its funny that people who aren't mason keep hanging on to this "high rung/low lung" mason delusion. It doesn't exist in reality - its a fantasy of your own making that you made up in order to satisfy your hatred. I get it - you need something to blame for keeping you down, but don't make things up as you go along. Freemasonry doesn't have 1% of the power you are ascribing to it.

Originally posted by thelongjourney

Originally posted by NotAnAspie
That's what a relative of mine thinks.

You know what always amazes me? Is people love telling these stories as if it means something. So you happen to know someone you don't like who claims to be a mason. What just floors me is that the statements hes making are 100% incorrect and you'd know that if you did 5 minutes on google. Your last name means nothing in masonry. The vast majority of them are great people. He claims to be a Grand Master, but a Grand Master means being elected the head of a state level lodge, and frankly thats a small enough number of people that I would highly doubt anyone telling me that story, especially if they thought it was something to brag about (most GM's I know see it as a type of community service and its a very bureaucratic task..not much to brag about).

But it doesn't matter. Its someone you don't like, and he claims to be a mason, so lets take everything as true and disparage 3+ million people for it.

edit on 7-1-2013 by thelongjourney because: (no reason given)

Oh, since you liked my story so much... here's another.

I've got freemason relatives over near the coast as well (I have known MANY freemasons in my life and they have some similar traits) Some of them have passed away but they were all in law enforcement.

This was in the paper while you're bull#ing.

He went into the hospital for a surgery and became extremely combative after the surgery because he wanted to go home. Yes, he is old... but that isn't a very good excuse for what took place next.

He was fighting with his wife because she wouldn't (couldn't) take him home till he got better. Does any of this sound familiar because it does to me.

Anyway, as a gun toting wife of a freemason/ ex law enforcement officer she brought her gun in her purse INTO THE HOSPITAL.... left it by his bed while she took a shower in his rooms bathroom.

while she was taking her shower he proceeded to get the gun out of her purse and shot a hole through the wall of the bathroom apparently trying to kill the woman.

No charges were pressed.

No real investigation took place.

He said he didn't remember any of it and that was good enough for the officers who arrives on site.

Now try being another type of member of society and pulling some BS like that.

You'd be locked up so fast it would make your head spin.

This crap isn't funny. I've had many men try to claim me as some piece of chattel in he south east surrounded by men who think they have the right to do things like this and control anything and everything AND IT IS GOING TO CHANGE.

Mean something?

HELL YES IT MEANS SOMETHING!

and since you are so damn THICK.... it's not the name sake, but the power and money those names hold. I thought you'd be able to figure this out for yourself but it's pretty obvious that you need a lot of stuff pointed out to you... things that should be common sense.

Give me a few more million men who like to keep secret and feel like they control everything and I will slam on them as well.

So you think you're special? one of the good guys? Not guilty of any of these indescretions?

THEN WHY DO YOU NEED A SECRET BROTHERHOOD TO BACK YOU UP AND MAKE YOU FEEL LIKE A COMMUNITY FIGURE?

Seriously?

Do I feel I need to be part of an organization to stand my ground?

NO.... UNLIKE SOME I'M SIMPLY A MEMBER OF THE HUMAN RACE!

Ohhh... but you have to be different, right? You need a title and stupid symbols to give you INDIVIDUALITY.

No... No guy... I do NOT like your kind.

Join the rest of the human freaking race and I MIGHT reconsider!

Originally posted by thelongjourney

Originally posted by NotAnAspie
More proof that most freemasons are just low rung lackies.

Those up top don't give 2 craps about old local lodge buildings. The ones up top have their meeting in expensive high rises.

Leaving the low rung lackies in the dark helps to fuel that fear of being made obsolete.

If you fear you are being made obsolete, you will just be more combative toward your new socialist government. It's all just part of the plan so go hug your fire arms and wait for the commies & jihadists to come and continue to keep a nice secret lock down from those in your community who you think can't possibly understand the world.

... because they're woman and according to freemason misogyny, women don't need to know these things... they just need to keep spreading their legs.

Hint-hint.... They're not coming. If they want the dirt under your feet they'll just buy it.

... and you CAN thank the stupid freemasons before you that set up this system that they knew would collapse and drive us all into war.

Here's another hint... We're onto the game.

Really? Wheres you proof? We get it, you are blinded by hatred by someone who claims to be a mason. Instead of hyper focusing on that claim, especially when the things they've said indicate they are not in fact a mason, why don't you do some actual research?

Oh don't do that, then you'd find out you've been hating 3 million people and putting them into conspiracy fantasies for no reason. Instead you are making completely insane allegations - if your going to do that, provide the evidence. Give me the names and lodge numbers of these all powerful "masons up top" meeting in expensive high rises.

Its funny that people who aren't mason keep hanging on to this "high rung/low lung" mason delusion. It doesn't exist in reality - its a fantasy of your own making that you made up in order to satisfy your hatred. I get it - you need something to blame for keeping you down, but don't make things up as you go along. Freemasonry doesn't have 1% of the power you are ascribing to it.

edit on 8-1-2013 by thelongjourney because: (no reason given)

Guess what... I knew masons in Florida too.

They were bikers and drug addicts and built an underground shelter in their yard but hid it's access from everyone.... most likely a meth lab.

They missioned in prisons and brought in cheap, second hand hotel soap when these things are usually provided.... but it was an excuse to have contact with the inmates.

Here's another hint... some drugs are made through soaponification and can be made to look exactly like a small bar of soap.

where do you think the drugs in prisons come from?

They give them to inmates to help certain ones (usually white ones here in the south) control the hierarchies in the prison system and report back what they have learned with their leverage. Don't tell me what I #ing know.

These people personally pulled a stunt on me with their control freak ways.
They failed though, because I'm not that dumb. I've been locked up by freemasons before with a 25000 dollar bail on a petty drug charge that I was set up for.... all so they could hold me under observation.

High level masons? Try the ones in London city state. You'd never see them in a filthy lodge.
They're untouchable... So they think.

Yawn...sorry, I read your post but I thought you were going to provide evidence for all your claims. Nope, just more stories. Trust me, for every story you have I can tell a hundred about freemasons fighting for democracy, equality, and freedom of religion. Of men who were masons that died for those causes - both in history and even as recently as today. I can tell you even more stories of men who do wonderful things in secret for the betterment of mankind, donating large portions of their income. I know one brother in my lodge who makes $28k a year as a janitor. He gives $14k - half of it - to the local homeless shelter. Because he has a heart for the homeless. He does this completely anonymously - he volunteers there and learns what there needs are. When they need new blankets, dozens of new blankets show up. When they are low on food, an anonymous order comes in. Hes only told me about it so I can help him with some of the logistics. Why does he do this? Because hes a good man, but further because hes a mason who truly believes that a mason's life should be spent making his community better and doing it in secret so that the mason gets no praise for doing so. He does it because hes right, and his deeds shine a light on the darkness of your hatred that is so bright its laughable.

We get it. You hate someone, and because he says hes a mason you amplify that hate towards all masons. The problem is the things hes told you shows hes not a mason. Now please put up evidence for all the grandeur claims you've made about masonry.

reply to post by StrangeWayz

The most simplistic answer of all of this is that this was once a building ran by the Masons, but was sold for one reason or the other. Keeping the symbols and the old hall up doesn't mean the Masons are still controlling it, but rather it was cheaper than rebuilding a new structure and it keeps the some of the cultural heritage alive.

Many places formerly owned by Masons are still standing, but used for different purposes.

I'd say your argument is a failure as you cannot actually prove that Masons have any involvement in the bank since you even state that they don't own the building.

reply to post by wrdwzrd

Symbols have various uses, meanings, and interpretations and reach across not just groups, but time itself.

reply to post by LiveForever8

The Freemasons were not born out of the Templars. That is a romanticized theory that has never been concretely proven, and can't...unless some magical new documents are discovered. Then again, there are documents that state Freemasonry existed nearly 2-centuries prior to the creation of the Knights Templar.

reply to post by mblahnikluver

Your little "what if" scenario has been incessantly used by people to discredit Masons trying to uphold truth and fight against the garbage put out against the Freemasons.

As for the Murals, there's nothing that screams "Masonic" to me, but hey, apparently to many anti-Masons, I'm a "low-level Mason".

reply to post by cass1dy09

The Illuminati died out in the 18th century.

reply to post by Afterthought

If you clearly read the OP, he even states that the building is no longer owned by the Masons.

Plus, a Lodge would receive the same rate as any other organization. That's if that Lodge even uses that bank, which no one has shown.

You're trying to drum up thoughts of discontent, but you still haven't proven anything. You are all just spewing out hot air and empty words.

I'm sure a business has to claim this interest on their taxes, but a registered fraternal organization doesn't.

You'd have to look up the laws as to what they have to record on their tax statements.

The freemasons probably have a lot of money.

Each Lodge has its own finances. Some Lodges are well off and some are not, and the same goes for Grand Lodges. There is no collective fund just as there isn't a collective authority.

Plus, all of our money comes from dues and private donations. It's really no ones business, but our own.

It would be interesting to see a pie chart of their books to see the breakdown of where all the monies are going and what percentage helps honest to goodness charitable causes.

And what business is it of yours? What authority do you request this? I mean, I know many of our charities put out regular reports on the charities, but that is irrelevant.

reply to post by Afterthought

Your theory of nepotism can be applied to any relationship between a banker and another person(s). Your insinuation that favoritism is groundless.

Finally, each lodge usually displays what year it was established. This tells us which lodges are richer and more powerful than others.

My Lodge is not the oldest Lodge by any measure, but we're probably the richest, financially, in Idaho. We're also well-known for our influence and ritualistic proficiency.

I'm also wondering what bank(s) most lodges invest in.

Using my Lodge as an example, we use multiple banks.

What year was the lodge you belong to established?

1910.

reply to post by Afterthought

 

Charitable groups and organizations are privately owned and privately funded.

Unless you are donating money to this charity, how can you claim authority to call for oversight?

Are any lodges audited regularly by an oversight committee that has no connections to the lodge they're charged with overseeing?

Why would we? I'm starting to think you're unfamiliar with what "private" means.

Originally posted by NotAnAspie
Guess what... I knew masons in Florida too.

They were bikers and drug addicts and built an underground shelter in their yard but hid it's access from everyone.... most likely a meth lab.

They missioned in prisons and brought in cheap, second hand hotel soap when these things are usually provided.... but it was an excuse to have contact with the inmates.

Here's another hint... some drugs are made through soaponification and can be made to look exactly like a small bar of soap.

where do you think the drugs in prisons come from?

They give them to inmates to help certain ones (usually white ones here in the south) control the hierarchies in the prison system and report back what they have learned with their leverage. Don't tell me what I #ing know.

These people personally pulled a stunt on me with their control freak ways.
They failed though, because I'm not that dumb. I've been locked up by freemasons before with a 25000 dollar bail on a petty drug charge that I was set up for.... all so they could hold me under observation.

High level masons? Try the ones in London city state. You'd never see them in a filthy lodge.
They're untouchable... So they think.

I'm sure you did. You are seeking in life for something to blame for your current position other than yourself, and have turned to conspiracies as that security blanket. Its very common. You've decided its those darn masons keeping you down, as conveniently everyone you don't like just happens to be one even when you say they've told you things which proves they aren't masons. But that doesn't matter, because were not talking evidence here, were talking you needing something to hate.

So far you've claimed masons -
1) Are responsible for "socialism"
2) Seek to rape women
3) Are responsible for the drug trade
4) Are hell bent on making your life miserable

The evidence, by the way? Oh...there is none. And Masons in London? Funny you should mention that, BECAUSE LONDON IS WHERE THE UNITED GRAND LODGE OF ENGLAND IS THAT HOUSES THE MOTHER LODGE OF THE WORLD. You couldn't have picked a city to be more wrong about.

Originally posted by thelongjourney
Yawn...sorry, I read your post but I thought you were going to provide evidence for all your claims. Nope, just more stories. Trust me, for every story you have I can tell a hundred about freemasons fighting for democracy, equality, and freedom of religion. Of men who were masons that died for those causes - both in history and even as recently as today. I can tell you even more stories of men who do wonderful things in secret for the betterment of mankind, donating large portions of their income. I know one brother in my lodge who makes $28k a year as a janitor. He gives $14k - half of it - to the local homeless shelter. Because he has a heart for the homeless. He does this completely anonymously - he volunteers there and learns what there needs are. When they need new blankets, dozens of new blankets show up. When they are low on food, an anonymous order comes in. Hes only told me about it so I can help him with some of the logistics. Why does he do this? Because hes a good man, but further because hes a mason who truly believes that a mason's life should be spent making his community better and doing it in secret so that the mason gets no praise for doing so. He does it because hes right, and his deeds shine a light on the darkness of your hatred that is so bright its laughable.

We get it. You hate someone, and because he says hes a mason you amplify that hate towards all masons. The problem is the things hes told you shows hes not a mason. Now please put up evidence for all the grandeur claims you've made about masonry.

Yeah... a freemason janitor gives away half of his income anonymously.

Masons lie... simple as that.

I have no need to listen to this crap. No one needs to be a mason to give to charity. That has nothing to do with being a mason when YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE ONE TO GIVE.

So why does he need to be one?

To have secret connections.

Say it aint so? Then drop the fairy tale and make donations to charity without the title.

but it doesn't happen that way does it?

Nope... probably just another drug ring. I'm not just assuming this because of people I know. Your story makes no sense what so ever and is completely unbelievable. Nobody who is a janitor does crap like that... and most janitors would be lucky to pull in 2000 a month, much less over that amount.

You're full of it... but then again, you're a mason.

Those people are most likely running drugs for him and bringing him back proceeds.
You should be ashamed of the common sense you lack.

Originally posted by thelongjourney

Originally posted by NotAnAspie
Guess what... I knew masons in Florida too.

They were bikers and drug addicts and built an underground shelter in their yard but hid it's access from everyone.... most likely a meth lab.

They missioned in prisons and brought in cheap, second hand hotel soap when these things are usually provided.... but it was an excuse to have contact with the inmates.

Here's another hint... some drugs are made through soaponification and can be made to look exactly like a small bar of soap.

where do you think the drugs in prisons come from?

They give them to inmates to help certain ones (usually white ones here in the south) control the hierarchies in the prison system and report back what they have learned with their leverage. Don't tell me what I #ing know.

These people personally pulled a stunt on me with their control freak ways.
They failed though, because I'm not that dumb. I've been locked up by freemasons before with a 25000 dollar bail on a petty drug charge that I was set up for.... all so they could hold me under observation.

High level masons? Try the ones in London city state. You'd never see them in a filthy lodge.
They're untouchable... So they think.

I'm sure you did. You are seeking in life for something to blame for your current position other than yourself, and have turned to conspiracies as that security blanket. Its very common. You've decided its those darn masons keeping you down, as conveniently everyone you don't like just happens to be one even when you say they've told you things which proves they aren't masons. But that doesn't matter, because were not talking evidence here, were talking you needing something to hate.

So far you've claimed masons -
1) Are responsible for "socialism"
2) Seek to rape women
3) Are responsible for the drug trade
4) Are hell bent on making your life miserable

The evidence, by the way? Oh...there is none. And Masons in London? Funny you should mention that, BECAUSE LONDON IS WHERE THE UNITED GRAND LODGE OF ENGLAND IS THAT HOUSES THE MOTHER LODGE OF THE WORLD. You couldn't have picked a city to be more wrong about.

What?... Apparently you can't read if you think I said masons are responsible for socialism.

Learn to read and then get back to me with your pointless arguments, most of which I am wise enough to ignore.

And what do you know about my dissatisfaction with my place in life.

Guy... I'm FREE! It could be much worse.... AS IN... I could be married to a mason.

You don't know anything about how I feel about my life.

I'm actually quite pleased with... until a freemason comes around and ruins my day, being bossy or arrogant or a know it all... or just a flat out sexist pervert, AND THAT dude, is why I voice my dislike for free masons. It's a warning.

STAY THE Snip AWAY FROM ME.


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I'll tell you what. I'll stop going for the throat of freemasons just a as soon as they get the hell off my case.

I didn't start this crap. THEY DID.

Them and their little man rumor mills.

Until your organization gets the hell of my back, you might as while learn to adjust to my complaints.

If they mean nothing to you... ignore them.

Jeebus Christ.....Why is it that every time someone connects the "Elite" to esoteric symbols, the whole organization must be behind it as well....If I am a serial killer with a gun, does that make all gun owners a serial killer? No it doesn't...Employ some logic, common sense, or critical thinking skills here people...Possibly all of the above even. Analogies will help you understand everything in the world.

Originally posted by NotAnAspie
I'll tell you what. I'll stop going for the throat of freemasons just a as soon as they get the hell off my case.

I didn't start this crap. THEY DID.

Them and their little man rumor mills.

Until your organization gets the hell of my back, you might as while learn to adjust to my complaints.

If they mean nothing to you... ignore them.

No, they didn't. I believe that you believe masons are somehow after you, really I do. But the facts are that masonry has neither the power nor purpose you ascribe to it, and everything you've said these so-called evil masons are telling you shows they ARE NOT MASONS. If someone is "on your case"...its not masons. You just need them to be because its easier to believe in a grand conspiracy against you. For some people its the black helicopters, for others its covert gang stalkers, for you, its masons. You cant diagnose mental illness over the internet, but if you REALLY BELIEVE all the stuff your saying I recommend you seek professional help. I am not kidding or trying to insult you in any way.

You have offered 0 proof - 0, zip, none, nada, for your heinous allegations of rape and making illicit drugs...among other terrible things you've accused me and all masons of being involved in. All you have are stories...which don't add up.

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As if you'd know who are "low run lackies" and was not.

Those up top don't give 2 craps about old local lodge buildings. The ones up top have their meeting in expensive high rises.

And you know this how?

Leaving the low rung lackies in the dark helps to fuel that fear of being made obsolete.

Why is that anti-Masons think the "low rungs" don't know what goes on "up top", but they themselves do? Doesn't that sound like arrogance and evidence of a superiority complex? It seems to me that anti-Masons think themselves much more clever than actual members who have better access to how the organization is ran and operated.

You've said nothing factual and are just a mouth-piece of Fear Inc, trying to turn us into some boogey-man and scapegoat. Anti-Masons are getting more and more desperate. It's sad really.

because they're woman and according to freemason misogyny, women don't need to know these things... they just need to keep spreading their legs.

Your words only, not fact. This is not a belief of the Masonic fraternity.

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Many anti-Masons "have Masonic relatives", but then again. Your story, true or not, doesn't represent the rest of the fraternity. The more you speak in absolutes the more your stories seem less and less credible.

Now is there any proof of your story? Of course, you'd call cover-up...probably because it didn't happen.

You sound delusional. Your story doesn't add up. Name calling, lying, deceit, and desperation. So many anti-Masons are blinded by hatred. Sad really.

Who says we feel like we control everything? Why do you think secrecy is wrong (because its not)?

Not guilty of any of these indescretions?

And what am I guilty of? What made up crime have I committed?

THEN WHY DO YOU NEED A SECRET BROTHERHOOD TO BACK YOU UP AND MAKE YOU FEEL LIKE A COMMUNITY FIGURE?

Seriously?

Do I feel I need to be part of an organization to stand my ground?

NO.... UNLIKE SOME I'M SIMPLY A MEMBER OF THE HUMAN RACE!

Ohhh... but you have to be different, right? You need a title and stupid symbols to give you INDIVIDUALITY.

Who says this is why I joined? Why the yelling as indicated by the ALL CAPS? Who says we joined for the titles? Man is a social creature who is prone to groups...thus society. Why do you feel groups are wrong? Would you outlaw all congregations and assemblies?

Really, who cares what you think?

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If you knew them, what are their names?

where do you think the drugs in prisons come from?

Drug dealers?

None of this little rant of yours those proves any wrongdoing by the Masonic fraternity. It sounds like you're a bitter druggy with a grudge and you need someone to blame. Why would we take your word on anything?

High level masons? Try the ones in London city state. You'd never see them in a filthy lodge.

And you know this how?

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Druggy criminals lie to, but then again all men err, Mason or not. Simply being a Mason doesn't make us liars and to believe otherwise shows how irrational you are and hatred has blinded you to any rational or civil discourse.

No one needs to be a mason to give to charity.

No one is saying that. I give to many charities that are not operated or funded by the Masons. I have given to charities all of my life, long before I joined the Masons. Our charities do a lot of good work.

Men join the Masons for various reasons, but then again, no one needs to justify their reasons to you.

Nobody who is a janitor does crap like that...

Your skepticism doesn't constitute reality.

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Well, you did say "your socialist government".

You seem like a tiger backed into the corner, but then again you backed yourself into this figurative corner with your colorful stories and blind hatred.

You call us arrogant, but then you dare speak as if you know more than us without providing any proof.

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What? Nobody is on your case. You sound paranoid now.

NotASpie, you sound like someone with deep emotional issues. Go see someone about your daddy-issues and then come back to us.