Bolivia slams US over 'irrefutable evidence' of meddling

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


Voting for one in a two party system hardly means you like them.

And he actually does not get along very well with communists. That's sort of why Chavez is not a fan.

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by Corruption Exposed

 

Bolivia does have Lithium, but in a short look up of this guy, he seems somewhat unstable himself.

He seems convinced that the US has been out to get him since 2006...

He makes no distinction really. He just does not like anything to do with America. I think he's just paranoid.

You see how your trying to prove a point? If i were to find every time you were wrong about something and "expose" you, i could make you look paranoid,unstable, and even make you out to seem like a flat out liar. Everybody is wrong sometimes...That doesn't mean we cant be right at others

reply to post by JustgibberisH


Well one could say the same for you to do that. Not to mention my beliefs and thinking are always changing, so I'd probably disagree with myself from as much as a few weeks ago.

I could be right, and I could be wrong. My primary point is that there is not enough evidence to go either way.

In fact my primary response as of late has been pointing out the great irony of blindly believing what other governments say. Something ATS should be very ashamed of.

Innocent until proven guilty, as it goes.

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by JustgibberisH

 

Well one could say the same for you to do that. Not to mention my beliefs and thinking are always changing, so I'd probably disagree with myself from as much as a few weeks ago.

I could be right, and I could be wrong. My primary point is that there is not enough evidence to go either way.

In fact my primary response as of late has been pointing out the great irony of blindly believing what other governments say. Something ATS should be very ashamed of.

Innocent until proven guilty, as it goes.

edit on 8-1-2013 by Gorman91 because: (no reason given)

I'm sorry, but as far as the American government goes, under whatever president (except if Ron Paul had gotten in...), America is and always be guilty until proven innocent.

There's far too much proof hidden in history that America since the early 1900s have had no interest in "helping" the world. The goal has always been to greedily consume resources and help the terrorist apartheid nation of Israels zionist government to perpetrate crimes against innocent people and humanity.

America (NOT the citizens...!!) has for too long shown themselves to be destabilizers of nations, destroyer of democracies and pillagers of common man. We cannot allow ourselves to trust American media or the American establishment... it's far far too corrupt and clearly does not serve the interest of the American people.

So since you cannot protect yourselves from the crimes of your own government against yourselves or the crimes against other nations, we, the people of the world have to distance ourselves from your governments ill ways.

I'm sorry if that leads to what you perceive as blindly believing in other nations, but really... your nations government at this point says NOTHING that I want to believe in.

reply to post by flice


Seems quite biased to me. Why not the same for all governments? I know none that are actually innocent. But then again, I don't really care if Israel lives or dies. I do find it ridiculous to suppose a country we finance, arm, invest, and in every regard treat as a colony, would have any control over us. The usual response is "Jew money", which itself is a ridiculous statement, because the rich Jewish heritage families don't live in Israel nor really get themselves involved with it. They're so caught up worshiping Mammon that they could hardly care if Israel thrives or burns either.

So the Zionist argument falls flat on itself. Israel is our colony. It's purpose is a perpetual casa bella to fall back on if we loose a war or position. Zionism is irrelevant. Israel is irrelevant.

reply to post by JewAgainstZionism


Exactly. Thanks for clarifying this simple thing. The average United Stater that asks, "what's wrong? why do they hate us?" has no idea about what goes on around the world. Fortunately there's still that 5% that get out of the country and see the world as it really is. And I have a lot of respect for them for going around the world where most countries have some sort of discrimination against United Staters. These are the real heroes, not soldiers shooting innocent kids, raping women, going on bloody killing rampages, throwing puppies away for fun and gunning down vehicles full of chidren for a laugh. It's easy to be tough with guns. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there are "good" soldiers but the matter of the fact is, to start with, that joining the army isn't the best of choices. Uncle Sam isn't going to send you overseas on a libertarian mission, it's all for profits and control for a small group of people. But they have to convince you somehow their cause is just, otherwise they'd have no servants. Think about it. The U.S controls the world and sanctions many countries economically but the scar
that stays on people's minds are the bloody wars. And thinking about it, sanctions kill just like wars but the latter is not as easily forgotten. Plus, war has a key role as a fear factor to keep countries submissive. At the end of the day, it all comes down to politics. A small fraction of the U.S population ends up ruining the country's image abroad for everybody even though at home they are heroes. Go figure.

reply to post by Roger Dat


Americans who visit foreign countries are heroes? Gee thanks. I've been to India and Tunisia. Glad to know that's heroic.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


So what you're saying is that having travelled, you've actually got no excuse for believing that, despite all evidence, the international socialist plot is the number one problem on the face of the earth and that Amurca, with all it's great cool freedom and stuff, doesn't ever intervene in other countries policies ?

(Unless they are commies of course, because Amurca is the goodies and the commies are the badies and it's the commies fault if the nice 'murcans have to intervene. I'm getting it right here, right ?).

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by WhereIsTheBatman

 

So tell me, how does a US Embassy in Bolivia tell a COMMUNIST Dictator and people how to think and behave?????? Be realistic here. Your argument has nothing to back it up.

Maybe you should start here

America this, Israel that ... ALL governments (that can afford it) destabilise other countries when it is in their interest.

Britain taught America everything it knows about destabilisation, espionage and economic warfare.

It's not just America and Israel, forget about the countries, it's about the state vs the people, it always has been.

Ironically we are the ones who give them the power.


QV.

S & F for the info and further exposure.

Don't get your panties in a wad when nothing comes of this.

Just another cog in the machine. Not enough people will ever 1) know about this, or 2) be in a position to do anything about it.

reply to post by Gorman91


For God's sake get over yourself mate . Anyone who crosses up the US should be paranoid because they will be after you. You survive by getting your information out there fast. Put yourself in their shoes. Tell the truth to a friend/colleague you trust and have an 'accident' because you are under surveillence and have become a risk. No, your friend hasn't betrayed you but you have been watched and they think you are a risk so you are eliminated and if friend doesn't get the message he goes too.

reply to post by Gorman91


For God's sake get over yourself mate . Anyone who crosses up the US should be paranoid because they will be after you. You survive by getting your information out there fast. Put yourself in their shoes. Tell the truth to a friend/colleague you trust and have an 'accident' because you are under surveillence and have become a risk. No, your friend hasn't betrayed you but you have been watched and they think you are a risk so you are eliminated and if friend doesn't get the message he goes too.

Originally posted by JewAgainstZionism
reply to post by Corruption Exposed

 

It is common knowledge that US sabotages covertly whoever it can.
(even sabotages Canada when it comes to meat and lumber trade)

That's the thing with Israel too. Israel doesn't just sit there like a
neighbor watching you across the fence, it overtly sabotages you as a neighbor.

And poor average American asks,

Why do they hate us ???

edit on 7-1-2013 by JewAgainstZionism because: (no reason given)

Nothing wrong with sabotaging, everybody does it. Everyone has been doing it for centuries. It's a military and economic tactic...like I said nothing wrong with it especially if you can't prove it and Bolivia is just talking trash they don't have any evidence.

reply to post by Evanzsayz

...like I said nothing wrong with it especially if you can't prove it and Bolivia is just talking trash they don't have any evidence.

Are you stating this as an opinion or a fact?

The USA has been meddling in numerous South American countries for years. And they have been meddling in Australia too.

Time the US Federal Govt spends more time worrying about their internal affairs rather than bullying other nations in the name of big profit!

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed

Originally posted by JewAgainstZionism
reply to post by Corruption Exposed

 

It is common knowledge that US sabotages covertly whoever it can.
(even Canada when it comes to meat and lumber trade)

That's the thing with Israel too. Israel doesn't just sit there like a
neighbor watching you across the fence, it overtly sabotages you as a neighbor.

And poor average American asks,

Why do they hate us ???

edit on 7-1-2013 by JewAgainstZionism because: (no reason given)

I agree, most people are aware of US sabotage around the world, but to be fair many other countries do it as well but nowhere near as much as the US, they certainly are the ring leaders when it comes to global sabotage.

But yes, it does surprise me when the average American asks...

"Why do they hate us?"

To be fair to the average American though, it's not them that are hated, it's their government and their policies and actions.

edit on 1/7/2013 by Corruption Exposed because: (no reason given)

Great points, both in the original post and in the response.

The US has been consistently meddling in Latin and South American affairs since the 1940's and possibly even before this. The 1950's were especially strong for this, including the "Banana Wars" (totally shameful Bob Dole). Heck, look at the "Fast and the Furious" regarding Mexico - and that is current (rather than historical). It isn't a surprise.

However, to take up the point CorruptionExposed posed, every other country that has a foreign spy agency is guilty of this, so that means most countries in the world. Sometimes we need to take our rose tinted spectacles off and look clearly at the world around us.For example, every time Venezuela persuades OPEC to drop output, it indirectly interferes with domestic politics in a myriad of countries. There are various reasons of course but it still comes under the umbrella of "interfering".

The point being that i am also going all "curtain twitcher" and would therefore be very interested to see what guise this particular branch of "meddling" is.

Originally posted by qvision
America this, Israel that ... ALL governments (that can afford it) destabilise other countries when it is in their interest.

And just because everybody does it makes it OK?

Britain taught America everything it knows about destabilisation, espionage and economic warfare.

It's OK to disagree with one's teacher and think for oneself.

It's not just America and Israel, forget about the countries, it's about the state vs the people, it always has been.

Ironically we are the ones who give them the power.

We don't give anything. Private citizens don't verify election results, because they have families to feed, bills to pay and jobs to do.

There is nothing that proves that everything is legit. People just accept because they don't know any better. The Internet is changing that.

reply to post by Corruption Exposed


It won't matter what they reveal cuz the ameriKKKan media won't pick up on it ... also , it can be damaging in another way ... Prez Evo Morales is friends with Chavez who is recovering from cancer he feels american technology (CIA ) gave him ... Venezuela is one of the largest producers of oil which we depend on ... what if they stop giving us oil ? that would be fun !!

reply to post by paddymelon


That sounds awfully paranoid for yourself.