Bolivia slams US over 'irrefutable evidence' of meddling

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posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 01:48 PM
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I'm not al all surprised to see you complain when the Marxist root is exposed.


How so?




It is so funny seeing all the anti-Americans here constantly bashing the US for some kind of meddling subversion



Our replies are based on historical precedents directly involving the United States. A reading of some history books may be in order.




posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 01:49 PM
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You simply fail to see the dialectical activity


If you are so well versed in this subject why don't you it explain it to us?



posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 01:49 PM
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Originally posted by Gorman91
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If you only have one source, from the accusing party, that's sort of the definition of biased.


No, it's not even close to the definition of biased.

There have been various claims that have been made by various Bolivian officials in recent years accusing the US of meddling and political blackmail. All I have done is report this news and have clearly explained that none of this has been proven yet as they have not released the "concrete evidence"... yet.

That being said, there is some evidence that has been released in 2011 where Bolivia decided to kick the DEA and other US officials out of Bolivia. And there is also proven evidence of both sides trying to resolve their differences but according to Bolivia, this has not gone very well due to the political blackmail on the United State's behalf I previously mentioned.

Once again I recommend you visit the other thread I linked in the OP because you are clearly misinformed when it comes to this situation, no offense intended.

So please point out how this fits the definition of bias.
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posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 02:06 PM
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The US needs a good ass kick. Telling others constantly what to do and how to behave is hardly democratic. Furthermore it is very irritating, since it does not even comply with standards it sets for others.

Doesn't the US have enough s**t in its own backyard? Must they really always dictate how to think, what to do, how to pray, etc.

It looks like they have the absolute power when it comes down to ethics, definitions of freedom and what not.

People don't like the idea of being told what to do and how to behave. It's only natural. People want to be free. Freedom is not some kind of trademark.
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posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 02:08 PM
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Originally posted by Kram09
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You simply fail to see the dialectical activity


If you are so well versed in this subject why don't you it explain it to us?


Let's start with first things first on Bolivia going Communist


But the blood spilled that day has sprouted a new brand of repression and communism in the beautiful country of Bolivia. A new repressive/communist narco state is emerging from the mineral rich and simmering social pot in this part of Latin America.
Bolivia is a mid-size state in the middle of Latin America, a rich natural gas country. It was taken over by President Evo Morales in 2006. A former coca-grower, the ultra leftist president of Bolivia, is pro Iran and after 6 years in power is promoting a socialist agenda like that of his friend and close ally Hugo Chavez of Venezuela, including the expropriation of private businesses.
During the past 6 years of his iron rein, Morales has been able to intimidate, censor, and prosecute any Bolivians who criticize him or thwart his political agenda. His Congress has passed laws expanding the government’s powers to limit free speech and punish its critics, while the Supreme Court, packed with Evo Morales supporters, has explicitly rejected the principle that the judiciary should serve as a check on presidential power.

Read more: joemiller.us...

Read more: joemiller.us...



The Bolivian Evo Morales regime has enacted rules that dramatically reduce the public’s right to obtain information held by the government. The communist administration’s constant attacks on local rights defenders, whom authorities portray as enemies of the people,

joemiller.us...

And this little article talking about nationalizing industry there


To emphasize the point, let me start brutally:
2006: Oil and gas industries are nationalized.
2007: Communications industry nationalized.
2008: Oil and gas logistics company acquired by the state.
2009: Chaco Oil company nationalized.
2009: 36,000 hectares in the lowlands nationalized.
2010: 4 electricity companies nationalized.
2012, May: Transportadora de Electricidad, belonging to Spanish Red Eléctrica, Bolivia's main electricity transport company, is nationalized.
2012, December: 4 additional electricity companies nationalized.
Comrade Morales is busy, slowly implementing the words of his unmentioned idol; in 1845 Karl Marx said "In communist society... society regulates the general production" (The German Ideology).


roytov.com...


So limiting free speech and the right to criticize leaders plus nationalizing industry in a number of ways combined with a dictatorship like leader.

How can one question it as the rise of a Communist dictatorship?

Next. I'm not going to waste my time trying to explain something to someone who is just going to argue with me.

But here is the explanation in Antony Sutton's words, so read it if you want to know where I am coming from.
www.prisonplanet.com...



posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 02:11 PM
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Again, if it's from one source, it is biased.



posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 02:13 PM
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Or it could be yet more lies to distract from their problems in that nation. As happens all the time.


No you and your ilk are correct it MUST be the evil American government plotting something bad.



posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 02:15 PM
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The US needs a good ass kick. Telling others constantly what to do and how to behave is hardly democratic. Furthermore it is very irritating, since it does not even comply with standards it sets for others.


POTUS is just facilitating the Arab Spring and supporting the Muslim Brotherhood in those countries. Only in LIbya are they really directly meddling, but it's funny that all the anti American pro Communist/Socialist people use this stuff to prove America is imperialist, when these activities are promoting Marxism and Communism or some other anti American regime. In the Arab Spring, all the pro Western leaders have been toppled, even in Libya where Gaddafi was mostly tame toward the US.
I do not consider current POTUS to be acting in the best interests of my country. I wouldn't be surprised to find that the Iranian mullahs are on board with the World Council of Churches and the subversion of true religion worldwide. This kind of religious extremism borders on Totalitarianism, and thus can be used to subvert. Did I mention that I just read that the Bolivian leader is pro Iran?

Oh good to know you think that telling others how to live is horrible. I expect you to throw a hissy fit when you find out what the Muslim Brotherhood and pro Shariah Shia's have planned for you.
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posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 02:24 PM
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So tell me, how does a US Embassy in Bolivia tell a COMMUNIST Dictator and people how to think and behave?????? Be realistic here. Your argument has nothing to back it up.

Even the OP has nothing but another thread and RT to back it up. Russia Today? Really?



posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 02:28 PM
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It has been a long time since I have heard someone call someone a commie.. oh i lie I hear obama called one all the time.

It is not uncommon for a fascist state to mess with a communist state.

Regardless if bolivia is communist, socialist, capitalist , or any other ist... it still does not excuse the US meddling or any country to meddle in another countries affairs.

Honestly from the worlds point of view the USAs current form of government is more dangerous than any full fledged communist or socialist country.



posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 02:28 PM
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That being said, there is some evidence that has been released in 2011 where Bolivia decided to kick the DEA and other US officials out of Bolivia


Your article from RT says that NGO's are spying. Last I checked the DEA is not NGO. But in any case, what I dug up is that the Communist Bolivian leader was a coca grower

see here

joemiller.us...

So sure he doesn't want the DEA meddling withi his coca growing industry.

lolol could it be more obvious?



posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 02:29 PM
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Or it could be yet more lies to distract from their problems in that nation. As happens all the time.


Or it could be that the United States have been caught meddling in another nation's affairs, it happens all the time.



No you and your ilk are correct it MUST be the evil American government plotting something bad.


My Ilk


You seem surprised that the American government may have been plotting something bad.

Where have you been the last 70 years?

If it makes you feel any better, my government is just as corrupt, it's just we are less powerful.

I hope your global supremacy when it comes to turning nations upside down makes you feel good about yourself as I am personally ashamed by my own government's actions and am capable of admitting their faults, are you?



posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 02:30 PM
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I'm sure you speak for ALL the world, especially all those countries with their hands out for our money and resources to develop themselves. The US gives more money to the UN than any other country, not that I especially like that because the UN is the seat of World Govt. Our leaders have been promoting UN Treaties lately, including honoring UN Agenda 21 with an EO implementing it in the US.
Yes, Obama signed a new EO establishing the WH Rural Council to help implement UN AGenda 21

farmwars.info...

They just don't call it Communism but that is what it really is.
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posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 02:33 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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That being said, there is some evidence that has been released in 2011 where Bolivia decided to kick the DEA and other US officials out of Bolivia


Your article from RT says that NGO's are spying. Last I checked the DEA is not NGO. But in any case, what I dug up is that the Communist Bolivian leader was a coca grower

see here

joemiller.us...

So sure he doesn't want the DEA meddling withi his coca growing industry.

lolol could it be more obvious?


The incident I mentioned from 2011 and the new claims from the Bolivian officials which RT reported on are two seperate incidents, I only included the 2011 incident to help shed light on the situation as a whole.

You should look into what the DEA and all the other alphabet agencies have been up to down there and you might not be so quick to "lolol".



posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 02:35 PM
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I'm laughing because it is already known that the DEA and other alphabet agencies are drug and gun running to finance globalist operations. Mr Bolivia just doesn't want the DEA to cut into his coca industry.

Does the name Fast and Furious ring a bell?

While we are on this subject, Obama is a friend to Socialist leader Chavez. It stands to reason that Obama and Mr Bolivia are also fellow travelers.
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posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 02:38 PM
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Really?
This IS the U.S. Government we are talking about, Right?
They have been meddling since the monroe doctrine if not before.

Gorman91
"Just because you are Paranoid, it doesn't mean they are not out to get you".

JewAgainstZionism
You can't possibly believe that it is JUST the U.S. and Israel that do theses things.
These actions are pandemic amoung nations.

seabhac-rua
Star for you.
The citizens of America....their biggest enemy is their own government.

I think it is way past time the people of the U.S. take our Government and bureaucracies in hand.
Ofcourse you also must remember the U.S. has the best politicians money can buy, as in bought and paid for by multinational corporations and banks, read that as the Bilderberg Group at least.



posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 02:43 PM
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Thank you for bringing up the Bilderbergs. Last time I checked, the International Socialist billionaire financier and major meddler in National Currencies George Soros was an attendee. Alex Jones exposed the Bilderberg desire to impose a global tax with whatever bs reason they can come up with. The Climate Change tax didn't happen because their silly little plot got exposed, and then the European Intl Socialists came up with another idea, an International Finance tax. Just more redistributionist crapola. World Socialism with the Robber Barons making a killing as usual.



posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 02:51 PM
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I think Bolivia is having delusions of grandeur here. Always makes me smile when some pissant little country blames US meddling for it never having evolved past the stone age, rolls eyes.........



posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 03:11 PM
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Originally posted by DangerMcBacon
I think Bolivia is having delusions of grandeur here. Always makes me smile when some pissant little country blames US meddling for it never having evolved past the stone age, rolls eyes.........


In the case of South America there is good reason.
Look at the IMF and World Bank for instance, and multi-national corporations.



posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 03:23 PM
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As I suspected, Bolivia has it's own little dept of UN Sustainable Development

sd-cite.iisd.org...

If Morales wants to get rid of meddling of NGO's, he can start right there with kicking out the UN Sustainable Development Agenda 21 people. But he won't do that because Agenda 21 will give him grants to develop his country.
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