So much of what we think we know is dependent on UFOs not being aliens from other places. UFOs pretty much have to be misidentified conventional phenomena; stars, gases, optical illusions, etc.

If UFOs are in fact aliens then it opens up a can of worms. Because if the government really is lying about them then what else are they lying about? Many conspiracy people have seen UFOs. Because they were unable to identify them they inevitably begin to wonder how deep the rabbit hole goes.

It all starts with things like UFOs/etc.

Once you lose trust in government and society, you literally are alone. That's the danger of believing that UFOs are aliens and that our government is lying. It really makes life much harder.

So much of this life is based on trust.

I normally make very skeptical posts. I love science. Our world wouldn't be where it's without science. It's amazing how much we actually know. So few of us actually understand the science. I am still a child compared to Carl Sagan and Carl Sagan wasn't even the brightest scientist. He was just a spokeperson. Scientists are extremely smart and knowledge about their disciplines. We would be wise to listen to them. Don't be a dumb fool and think their input is deceptive or haughty.

It's not easy being a scientist because they -really are- smart/knowledgeable! Anything they say to a normal average person is going to be strained because of how clueless we're!

I was reading another post on another forum on another site and one guy responded to a kid who was talking BS and said "Go to university and get a masters degree and THEN we can talk."

If you want to attack science get a masters or phd in science first! Lol. It's true. If you want to have any hope in making a compelling argument you have to first understand what's out there.

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Can I just point out that it is not Lapetus but Iapetus. That was REALLY annoying me.

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Sorry, I HAVE to say this is one of the craziest threads I read recently..

OP, I really do respect your imagination and your thinking out of the box.
But look, everything you said really doesn't make any sense and it's all very well covered by science. There's no room for any speculation on this subject (whatever that is).

It's fair enough to speculate and create conjectures on unexplored fields of science. It's often done by the most serious scientists, except they base their guesses on solid evidence.

Please take my advice, you're far off and should consider studying the subject in depth before writting such a thread in the Space exploration forum. Otherwise I hope you have a hard skin.

Sorry for any written mistakes...
... I speak Portuguese (Brazil is in South America). --- sorry but I couldn't resist rsrsrs

Originally posted by sparky31
ok i,m going to say this......scientists have had to change their theory on just about everything to do with space

what they have believed they have had to re-evaluate so why is anything put forward that weird?

just cause it doesn,t fit with our physics doesn,t mean it may not be true.

Just because some things change DOESN'T mean everything will change for example if you drop an object it falls under gravity, that won't change in 5,10, 100,000 years will it

The basics are well understood and the scientific method has to be repeatable, we can work out the mass of the planets although we can't physically weigh them we understand the effects of gravity has on objects or we would not be able to do things like this.

To enter Saturn's orbit, Cassini will fly through the gap between the F and the G rings

Just because paranoid sites/people on the net make out everything from an official source is lies DOESN'T mean they are telling you the truth

Skunk Works !!
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Ok so, there are three main things are wrong with this "theory" or suggestion. First, Saturn is classified as a gas giant, which as you smart people can guess, a giant planet made mainly from gases. This means NO SOLID SURFACES. I would find it hard to build structures on gas, wouldn't you? Second, if you say this storm on Saturn has something to do with a possible civilization, then Jupiter AND Neptune must be just as effective "shelter" as Saturn. Third, Saturn is less dense than water, you would basically fall through and it would sit on top of HUGE ocean, if there was a big enough one. Also, Saturn is not a "brown dwarf star" and it never once was a sun... lay off the chips and sci-fi movies bud...