So what do they want exactly?

reply to post by FormerSkeptic


The top 2 vids have been proven (?) fake on this very site a few times it seems. I think if such footage were actually real it would make front page news! And would of course being real, put to rest any and all argument & discussion concerning disclosure and truth about ETs

Sorry don't mean to be awkward lol

I have to say that I am at a loss to know just what evidence/proof would convince some people...I think if an alien actually appeared in front of them they would still cry hoax

Originally posted by phyllida
reply to post by FormerSkeptic

 

The top 2 vids have been proven (?) fake on this very site a few times it seems. I think if such footage were actually real it would make front page news! And would of course being real, put to rest any and all argument & discussion concerning disclosure and truth about ETs

Sorry don't mean to be awkward lol

I have to say that I am at a loss to know just what evidence/proof would convince some people...I think if an alien actually appeared in front of them they would still cry hoax

edit on 8-1-2013 by phyllida because: (no reason given)

I'm afraid not. Proven is a big word. There have been a lot of DISAGREEMENT. An entire gang of naysayers crying "hoax" in an online forum isn't anything.

Yes those images made the rounds. Did so for years if not decades! Remember that ATS is just another forum.

[ sorry site owners ]

reply to post by DrZrD


How very kind

4th dimensionally? As in space & time? As in nothing can move faster than the speed of light therefore making it almost impossible as far as we know, for anyone/anything to travel to this planet?

reply to post by FormerSkeptic


Do you not feel however, that if those images were true, then it would be earth shattering news and as such bound to have gained credence and made it to the mainstream media?

It seems no matter who makes the "disclosure" whether it be military, scientist or otherwise, its never first hand. Its always years after the event, disclosed by someone else on behalf of someone else, often after the original whistleblower has died. Nothing it seems in relation to this subject is clear cut reliable or unbiased, making it all the more difficult to establish truth and reality

Originally posted by phyllida
and so it goes on but yet not one single entity has made itself known and a way that is irrefutable, let alone a fleet of beings from space, which judging by the number of alleged sightings, space must be rammed full of motherships waiting for the tourists to get back from their sightseeing trip. You would think after all the space flights, shuttle expeditions, ISS flying around, that they would have seen loads of ships & craft entering our atmosphere if the sightings are to be believed.

At some point, even under strict orders to the contrary, I would think someone somewhere would be able to provide the actual proof needed, particularly in light of the alleged number of space programs in operation and the sheer unlikelihood of nothing whatsoever being seen and noted.

And if these wonderful spiritual beings were so benevolent and helpful where would be the harm in full disclosure? Why keep such helping hands secret if they were only here to assist?

edit on 8-1-2013 by phyllida because: (no reason given)

Hi Phyl, it has been an interesting thread, and I do appreciate you raising the questions and the diverse amount of opinions on the subject matter. I too have tried to offer some suggestions, opinions and information to try and understand the potential of ET visitation.

Some basic general considerations: Mankind has always been an adventurous species and since the beginning of our existence (whenever that was? Homo Sapiens widely believed to be about 200,000 years ago) we have wanted to "search", "investigate", "develop", "create" and "learn" new things to continue to improve our position in life. Speech, written language, fire, tools, art, inventions, all the way through tons of inventions such as planes, trains and automobiles and of course space ships and a whole slew of weapons and medical breakthroughs. So as a species we continue to make progress and in the last century, it seems a lot of progress has quickened. Let's not forget that little thing called the computer and iphone.

My point being that we as a species seem to have been making some real progress and continues to increase exponentially each decade, certainly during our lifetime. So it shouldn't surprise us that we have been able to make technological wonders such as:
The stealth B-2

The F117 stealth fighter

Photos courtesy of (boomer135)
When 30 years ago they were in secret development, but when unsuspecting souls caught a glimpse of the vehicles, the natural inclination was not only to say they were UFO's (which they were because no one knew of them or had ever seen one) and then make that giant leap that they were Aliens/ET Technology. We now know that these were developed by humans under the cloak of Black Projects with a lot of money and a lot of hard work.

Our society has always wanted to venture to knew places, to sail to the 'edge' of the earth from the days of Marco Polo, to the invasions of the Romans, to Christopher Columbus and of course the late Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin on Apollo 11 landing on the moon. It's wonderful, it's natural, it's built into us to want to seek better, greater things. So why would it be so unnatural to think or speculate that the Universe in all its wonder, holds the potential for new, wonderous things to find, explore, investigate and learn from. Quite natural, and I would suggest essential to our human experience.

Where I am going with this? Hmm, lol, back on topic. I think sometimes we dream and want to believe things of an incredible chances, the stuff that science-fiction is made of. Sometimes if we try hard enough we turn fiction into reality. But, on the ET question? Not sure we have found sufficient proof of that. It would be grand, it would be life changing. We could handle it. I just don't think for the logical questions that you have posed, that we have enough proof, evidence, reason to believe that ET's have been here or are here. Doesn't mean we can't dream, an to continue our search of the galaxy and the universe........who really knows?

EDIT: My response is not meant to disprove or debunk the ET question. I remain open-minded, and acknowledge that it is understood the at least 5% of the reports of Unknowns are just that, unknown, unidentifiable, so that leaves room for continued investigation and not to rule anything out. There remain many possibilies, and I am as curious as the next person. Where do I stand on all of this? Open-minded, skeptical, continue to increase my knowledge and to respect the opinion of others while remaining true to my own principles of demanding more evidence, proof of things before I faithfully believe totally.....in I guess anything!! Cheers!

That's all I got for now, Peace!!! ID

I firmly believe that it would be above complete arrogence for us to, for one second, believe we are the only life in this speck of sand in this vast ocean. Suppose you were an ET, with technology and tools at your disposal that is eons above what you are observing, there would be limited things you would desire, none of them would be disclosure. superior beings would not need slaves. What they are doing here is anyones guess, and it could be more than one objective, up to and including observation. I am perfectly ok with skeptics, they keep you on track and on fact, even if varifiable evidence is minimal or non existant. With modern technology, and everyone with a camera phone, each new day brings us closer to the truth. As a child with an ant farm, the child requires nothing from the ants but to go forward with your existance and I will observe and be entertained and learn your ways but other than that, I need nothing from you.

reply to post by ItDepends


Thanks for that and for the sexy stealth pictures

I will ponder on what you've said whilst I dream as its late now and I really REALLY need my beauty sleep hehe

Originally posted by phyllida
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Thanks for that and for the sexy stealth pictures

I will ponder on what you've said whilst I dream as its late now and I really REALLY need my beauty sleep hehe

Just getting back in myself...........lol, by all means, I hope you got your beauty sleep, nothing wrong with that....lol. Let me know if there is anything else I may be able to help with. At this point, you have a good thread going, not sure if I can add anymore at this time!! Cheers, ID

Originally posted by phyllida
reply to post by FormerSkeptic

 

Do you not feel however, that if those images were true, then it would be earth shattering news and as such bound to have gained credence and made it to the mainstream media?

It seems no matter who makes the "disclosure" whether it be military, scientist or otherwise, its never first hand. Its always years after the event, disclosed by someone else on behalf of someone else, often after the original whistleblower has died. Nothing it seems in relation to this subject is clear cut reliable or unbiased, making it all the more difficult to establish truth and reality

Indeed. Quite a challenge for many people on how to tell the difference.

Imagine if an absolutely real true walking EBE (extraterrestrial biological entity) was properly escorted to the main newsroom of a major TV news station during a regular workday. All the senior editors are there. So this EBE is literally shocking everybody with not only the visual obvious presence in front of newsreporters' own eyes, but effectively bumping everybody physically with some kind of force field (let's say self protection) thereby making it truly tactile, and mentally tapping into everybody's mind to answer questions and quell any hysteria.

It would ultimately get dismissed as a hoax.

Problem is psychological.

reply to post by teslahowitzer


Now that is something I agree with and has been at the back of my mind for eons! I feel strongly that there is bugger all they would ever need from us. If they had the technology to get here in the first place, we can assume they are wayyyyy ahead of ourselves. It would be like us going back in time to the stoneage and saying "Hmm nice flint arrow I'll have one of those"...pointless. Some have said they need/needed gold....erm well why? They had obviously done well enough without it before they found us. If for some bizarre reason they did need gold, if only for the et wife's new necklace, I don't think that enslaving a few thousand primitive tribal people to hand mine it would be the way. Some now say they need our blood to "absorb" as food, again what did they eat before they got human burgers? And of course some say they are manipulating our DNA for reasons unbeknown to me. I don't believe that at all, doesn't sit right with me. My own believe until proven different is that our own people are doing the manipulation for their own ends, whether it be super soldier or whatever.

A few hundred years ago, we Europeans were arrogant enough to believe that the world was flat and there were no other inhabitants on the planet....then we discovered the Americas. Science it seems is far from exact and is constantly finding new ways to say sorry we were wrong without blushing furiously and mumbling!

our science and theories are quite elementary to even the normal classification of an ET. We make assumptions, judgement calls, and live our lives all based on our enviornments and whats in our minds, even the best scientists on fantastic projects have a contained mental "box". Say what you will, but imagine an enviornment where all is possible, physical, mental, theories come to life and workable... now, imagine how an evolved universe traveler with their knowledge and resourses can dream. We always are amazed by the best minds on earth and their thoughts in writing and such, could we even compehend this from ET?

reply to post by phyllida


"Intergalactic rules? Prime Directive? Isn't that all a bit Star Trek?"
Don't put the cart before the horse. The Aliens were here before Star Trek.

reply to post by spiritualarchitect


Lol ok soz

As I keep on asking, any evidence of that? Any proof? Anything we can actually get our teeth into?

MIEC

We are told this is the name for the black operation that is responsible for the alien cover-up.
The Military Industrial Extraterrestrial Complex.

Get it thru your head that the MIEC is not going to show you any evidence because they are trying to keep it secret. Repeat: The Military is not going to let you see what they are trying to hide from you.

All of you deniers who post here keep saying "show me the evidence". But when you get evidence, you do not believe it anyway.

If you blow off eyewitness sightings by the locals and their cattle, and blow off the whistleblowers as well, it is easy to say Dulce is a nice place to visit. But then you might as well blow off all eyewitness reports from all around the globe. And every UFO photo and film too. And you might as well blow the cattle too.

reply to post by spiritualarchitect


I am not a denier as you put it. The purpose of my post was to try and establish what actual facts, evidence or proof there is available. To discuss the incongruities of sightings abductions etc and to attempt to discuss and possibly explain any logically reasoning behind the secrecy, and why, if secret, they appear to be doing such a bad job of keeping that secrecy considering the huge amounts of sightings

Originally posted by phyllida
reply to post by DrZrD

 

As in nothing can move faster than the speed of light therefore making it almost impossible as far as we know, for anyone/anything to travel to this planet?

The key words are "For all we know".

This "rule" was stated by a brainiac in the 1930's. This does not mean it is fact. and that it will hold up in 100 years. Many other "rules" like it have fallen by the wayside.

If you spend enough time on the streets in Orange County California, you have a very good chance of being asked 1 question:
"How do I get Disneyland?"

One not so brainiac once said, "You can't get there from here."

Think about it.

Originally posted by phyllida
I'm no ufologist by any means, but after reading copious amounts on the subject here and elsewhere, some points spring to mind that I can't satisfactorily explain to myself.

1. if the existence of UFOs or ETs is supposedly secret, then they're not doing a very good job of it. There are hundreds of sightings a week all over the globe and even if you discount 3/4 of them, it still leaves a significant number of sightings that could well be real, in which case, these aliens aren't doing too well at keeping under the radar so to speak.

It's simple really, they do not care about contact with humans, they even avoid it until they decide to anal probe someone. They do not care to such extent that they don't even care 'they are not doing a good job hiding'

It's like you don't care that you passed near an ant on the ground.

2. with regard to UFOs of military or government nature, again if these projects are supposed to be secret they are again not doing too well with that either.

On the contrary, they are, that's why so much disinfo and unclear cases that soon they are considered all a fiction.

If we accept that the sightings are real, then what do they want? These ETs seem to bomb about the skies doing nothing in particular, they may as well be sight seeing. Rare you hear of any landings either. I could quite accept the existence of visitors from other planets maybe if they landed and popped to Tesco for a spot of shopping or maybe had their own tv channel or something but just whizzing around the skies doing sod all ha me puzzled.

Probing specific humans, nothing else matters to them.

3. many people on here believe these "beings" to be hostile and out to harm us and yet I've never heard of anyone being zapped by lasers and annihilated into a hundred pieces or some UFO going on a demolition spree in some town. Surely if world dominance was their goal, with the number of alleged sightings, they seem to have more than enough capability to have done that ten times over! So what's the point of them?

Same with the thoughts of enslavement of us humans by a higher lifeform, it hasn't happened and I would think if it was going to it would have by now. After all, these craft/beings have by all accounts, been going around this planet for hundreds possibly thousands of years so what exactly are they waiting for? The longer they wait to enslave us or occupy our planet, the more technoligcally advanced we become and the harder their job would be.

Because with being more advanced they do not care about smth they can do with snap of a fingure i.e destroy Earth.

4. with regard to all the apparent abductions and experiments reported, surely these creatures must have enough organs/dna or whatever by now to probably create a whole new planet full of folk, so why do they allegedly keep on doing it? I would have thought once they'd got a couple of test tubes full of human dna, anything more would be overkill. They could probably clone our species with what they've got by now, after all, we haven't evolved much in the last few thousand years our dna hasn't changed, so it really does seem to be a waste of time and sadly for some a waste of human life.

5. other people state with absolute certainty that these beings are here for us, to enlighten us, to watch over us, to impart knowledge, to show us the way to a more spiritual existence etc but sorry, to me it seems they're sure taking their time and going the long way about doing that. They occasionally appear to the odd person here and there and give them some symbolic or cryptic message which they the human is supposed to pass onto the world in order for us to improve or move up the spiritual staircase. These advanced beings are seemingly incapable of doing that very thing on a far larger scale than 1 little human whom they must be aware would either be laughed off the face of the planet or locked in a padded room somewhere.

All seems very suspect and hit and miss to me yet I can't dismiss the existence of others outright

Be nice to hear others views on my points so maybe I can sleep nights lol

The truth has never been declassified, what's on the web is far from the real evidence, so no one gets anything.

"Technological wonders" such as the stealth bomber and fighter are far behind the flying capabilities of a 1940 era flying saucer. Can either sustain damage from 1000's of antiaircraft shells? Can either hover in one spot without making noise? Can either hover 1 second and then reach fantastic speeds a few seconds later?

The answers are
No
No
and
NO

So your only option is to say that EVERYONE is lying when they say they have seen these things flying machines 60 years ago.

Face it. Your stealth bomber and fighter are WAY OUT of date.

reply to post by phyllida


Gold is a key component in spaceflight.

reply to post by phyllida


My "Denier" post was not directed at you. It just happened to follow your "Evidence" post, which I had not seen because I was on another page.