So what do they want exactly?

reply to post by phyllida


What do they want exactly?

Best question to ask. You need to acquaint yourself with the Major Players in the
Milky Way Galaxy.

This is a good place to start.
Eisenhower Signs Treaty 1954

reply to post by TauCetixeta


Thanks for your input.

Yup read all that before posting, and all the stuff on MJ12 etc

Even so, I find it hard to fathom that if the aliens wanted something, if they had an agenda as indicated, that they would be dictated to by us mere mortals and promptly kept in line by various governments....treaty or no treaty.

I recall reading that there was an uprising of a few thousand greys in an underground complex some years ago in which various enforcement teams were sent into the complex where both scientists and aliens were killed. That says to me that we perhaps are the ones with the agenda, that we are the ones doing all the experimentation and research, and even that WE are the ones in control and that the alien agenda is secondary to our own. That would also indicate to me that the aliens are far from the superior race we all believe they would be.

The numerous statements that these aliens need human genetic material also doesn't ring true to me whether a dying race or not. Why on earth would they need our specific dna? Is that supposed to indicate that we are related? If so, they surely we would look like them and all the other things that implies. If they are soooo advanced then I feel pretty certain they could sort out their own problems without having to turn to some "backward" carbon based entities to assist

Apart from the usual "you can have so many humans a year to experiment on provided you give us tech" I see no other agenda, no attempt to keep out of sight and yet no attempt to contact us and that is the bit that bugs me.

reply to post by phyllida


Yes there was a short battle at the underground base near Dulce, NM.
We ended the treaty on that day December 29, 1980.
All of the scientists and guards were killed. The Orion Grays & the Draco aliens left but
said that they would return in about 10 years.

The February 1954 treaty was a deception / Trojan Horse.

reply to post by phyllida


That was a nice, well written post. I have been looking for an advanced discussion, instead of the usual "Are they here" BS.

Someone the other day said that abductions were down while missing persons is rising. So instead of abducting people, they are kidnapping them. In other words, not giving them back. But your point is good, how many living bodies do they need. If they are harvesting souls, as some say, then maybe they need a lot.

"MIND MANIPULATING EXPERIMENTS... The Dulce Base has studied mind control implants; Bio-Psi Units; ELF Devices capable of Mood, Sleep and Heartbeat control, etc.

"D.A.R.P.A. [Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency] is using these technologies to manipulate people. They established 'The Projects,' set priorities, coordinate efforts and guide the many participants in these undertakings.

"The studies on Level Four at Dulce include,
* Human Aura research
* as well as all aspects of Dream
* Hypnosis
* Telepathy, etc. [research]
* They know how to manipulate the Bioplasmic Body
* They can lower your heartbeat with Deep Sleeve 'Delta Waves,' induce a static shock, then reprogram, Via a Brain-Computer link
* They can introduce data and programmed reactions into your Mind [Information impregnation -- the 'Dream Library']

Perhaps they don't care about us at all.
Consider the cargo cults found on some remote islands.
They had effigies of air planes they had built and worshiped, perhaps to entice one to come down.
The people in the air planes likely didn't know or even care that they were flying over a civilization.

reply to post by phyllida


As for hiding, like DC in 52 and Phoenix in 97, those were obviously SIGNALS to somebody in the know. Probably an "air show" preformed at a set time. Definitely intentional and out right "in your face don't screw with us" messages. It would be interesting to know what was behind them. Somebody did something to provoke them to come out in the open over large living centers like that.

Speaking of provoking and Dulce, as you may know, UFO Hunters was shut down due to Dulce.

paranormalutopia.com...

www.youtube.com...

reply to post by spiritualarchitect


Hiya thanks for your input most appreciated.

Do you know this to be absolute fact?

I think it was the Dulce base that had the alleged uprising if I remember correctly the Dulce Wars. I recall reading that the aliens allegedly absorbed atoms from blood (sigh) and that's why they needed all the humans and cattle. Problem with that of course is that what did they eat before they could eat human burgers? Why on earth would our human blood and all its various diseases and types be suitable for another life form? All seems pretty hit and miss and highly speculative.

As far as the abductions go, my own belief is a lot of these are actually carried out by our own people i.e. CIA MI6 Government scientists and military, and then blamed on aliens. Nice way of keeping the fear factor going. A lot end up just disappearing off the radar and dropping out of the paper trail (it is possible), many end up in other countries, slave trade, drug runners, some end up murdered and so on. I also believe the experimentations could well be very earthly in nature and not alien. You only have to look back through history to see just what our human imaginations are capable of with regards to experiments and torture "for the greater good" of course

reply to post by spiritualarchitect


The 1952 fly past is probably the only one I actually believe...and think it was amazing!

Quite how the powers that be thought they could possibly cover that up is beyond me!

Sorry not heard of UFO Hunters presumably an american programme? I'll look into your links

Teachers always want to see their students graduate.

reply to post by phyllida


Yes, it appears the American Indian gave them too much information.
Archuleta Mesa is an underground base with many tunnels / high speed trains.
Watch the Youtube videos.
The Dulce show was the best one.
Wiki page reveals that History Channel execs killed UFO Hunters because of the Dulce Episode.

reply to post by DeadLights


Who are the teachers?

If you say the aliens, then they don't seem to be teaching. Appearing psychically to possibly mentally disturbed people in the astral plane is hardly teaching! If they have a message, if they wish for us to advance then they appear to be doing very little about it.

As far as Dulce goes, once again I feel that it most certainly isn't the aliens in control. They seem to be dictated to by the US Government, and under orders. Those are the actions of someone in control. The alien agenda appears to be a non starter in reality. Nothing has (or appears to have) moved or changed in 50yrs possibly much much longer.

There have been many times in history when this planet could have been taken over, when its people were far less technologically advanced, when weapons of mass destruction were nothing but a twinkle in some sadists eye and yet we are told that they could be hostile, that they want to colonise and make us slaves.

Hmmm I get the impression they are not as powerful as we have been hinted at to believe

reply to post by phyllida


A lot of your statements their presenting a bad side to the whole experience. And yet nothing positive proves that you haven't delved enough into the whole thing.

What do you mean if I say aliens? Are we really that ahead of something that can travel space and time?

If they wanted to take us over. They'd never have introduced genetic engineering to our kind!

An Eyewitness account

The Manhattan Abduction (Linda Cortile Napolitano)

An extremely compelling and controversial case of alien abduction is that of Linda Napolitano, (originally aliased as Cortile) which was researched by the well-known and respected Budd Hopkins. Napolitano claimed that she was abducted by the so-called "greys," who floated her from a closed bedroom window into a hovering UFO. The craft was waiting for her above a Manhattan apartment building at about 3:00 A.M. November 30, 1989. Linda's experience, though intriguing, was hampered at first by memory loss. She could recall only bits and pieces of the abduction. She could remember vividly the actual kidnapping and the room where she was examined, but the transportation process itself was totally lost to her. Further details of the case would be forthcoming via the passage of time, other witness statements, and through regressive hypnosis.

More than a year after Cortile's experience, Hopkins received mail correspondence from two witnesses, (known as Richard and Dan) who claimed to have actually seen the abduction.

Doubtful at first about these witnesses, their claims would ultimately be a building block of the case itself. Agreeing perfectly with Linda's account of the abduction, the two men were bodyguards of a senior United Nations statesman who was visiting Manhattan. This diplomat would eventually be identified as Javier Perez de Cuellar, who, according to his two bodyguards, was visibly shaken while viewing the surreal scene. These three men encountered an unbelievable sight...the plight of a woman being floated through the air, and not only that...but three entities were also being floated, accompanying her on a short trip to a massive hovering flying craft.

Linda's own words:

"I'm standing up on nothing. And they take me out all the way up, way above the building. Ooh, I hope I don't fall. The UFO opens up almost like a clam and then I'm inside," said 41 year old (at the time) Linda.

"I see benches similar to regular benches. And they're bringing me down a hallway. Doors open like sliding doors. Inside are all these lights and buttons and a big long table."

"I don't want to get up on that table. They get me on the table anyway. They start saying things to me and I'm yelling. I can still yell. One of them says something that sounds like [Nobbyegg]. I think they were trying to tell me to be quiet because he put his hand over my mouth."

The high-level of security clearance and professionalism required for the two bodyguards' positions would be no help in dealing with what they had seen. What they witnessed that night would become a curse to them, having a deep impact on their lives for years to come.

They would become irrational and psychotic, and one of them would become to think of Linda as having some unusual, extraordinary power or influence on others. He began to stalk her. Did he somehow blame Linda for his emotional behavior and fear? Or would his involvement be a threat to his livelihood?

The actions of the two bodyguards, whom would later be revealed as CIA agents, presented a strange, enigma to Hopkins. On April 29, 1991 they kidnapped Linda, bundled her into their car in broad daylight and quizzed her for three hours. Dan became increasingly upset with Linda as she repeated stated that she had no idea why it (the abduction) had happened. Linda would be kidnapped a second time by the men who tried to pry information from her, thinking she had a part in the alien abduction herself, which brought them into the case involuntarily.

One of the agents, Richard, stated:

"There was an oval-shaped object hovering over the top of the apartment building two or three blocks up from where we sat."

"We didn't know where it came from. It happened too fast. Its lights turned from a bright reddish orange to a whitish blue coming out of the bottom. Green lights rotated round the edge of the saucer. A little girl or woman wearing a white gown sailed out of the window in a fetal position - and then stood in mid-air in this beam of light. I could see three of the ugliest creatures I ever saw. I don't know what they were. They weren't human."

"Their heads were out of proportion, very large heads with no hair. Those buggers were escorting her into the craft. My partner screamed, 'We have got to get them.' We tried to get out of the car but couldn't. After the woman was escorted in, the oval turned reddish orange again and whisked off."

Hopkins told them that Linda Cortile was the woman they had seen.

Hopkins' investigation would gain additional momentum when more witnesses to the event would come forward with their stories.

The additional eyewitnesses stated that they too, had seen the abduction that night from the Brooklyn Bridge. The witnesses thought they were watching the filming of a scene from an upcoming Sci-fi film. She was a retired telephone operator. Soon, Hopkins could not keep the lid on the Napolitano abduction any longer.

The case would take a dramatic turn when Hopkins finally discovered the identity of the United Nations representative, or the "third man," as Javier Perez de Cuellar, the former Secretary General of the United Nations. Naturally, Hopkins' dream would be to get Cuellar to go public with his acknowledgment of the facts of the abduction, which would bring the case and the entire alien abduction question to a sensational level of acceptance within the public's eye, and the scientific community.

Although Cuellar corresponded with Hopkins and verified the abduction, he explained to Hopkins that he could not go public for obvious reasons. Cuellar went even as far as to meet privately with Hopkins to discuss details of his observations that night, but demanded that he remain anonymous.

The Linda Napolitano affair is without question one of the best documented alien abduction cases in UFO history. Most of these cases are related to authorities and investigators by a single person. It is extremely unusual to have multiple witnesses, especially those totally unknown to the experiencer, to validate the facts of an alien abduction. Hopkins did an exceptional job of holding together the case, despite some unusual twists and turns.

Skeptics, as you would expect, dismiss the case without offering any evidence to support their theories, except the commonly used statement, "it can't happen, so therefore it didn't."

reply to post by DeadLights


Yes, invasion could be nothing more than poisoning the water supply, with a back up antidote after we were gone, which would only take a few weeks. They don't want Earth for themselves, not yet anyway, they want humans for something.

reply to post by phyllida


You do not believe all the people who saw an object fly over them, down the freeway 2 hours before the 10pm light show?

Residents in Arizona said the giant boomerang came right across their rooftops. I think this was around 8:30. It just missed a telephone pole when it glided between two hill tops. They said the wingtips just fit between the hills, like it was flying as low to the ground as possible at that point. The hill tops were later measured and turned out to be 1,500 feet apart.


"Between 8:00 and 8:30 on the evening of March 13, 1997, during my second term as governor of Arizona, I witnessed something that defied logic and challenged my reality: a massive, delta-shaped craft silently navigated over the Squaw Peak Mountain Preserve in Phoenix, Arizona. A solid structure rather than an apparition, it was dramatically large, with a distinctive leading edge embedded with lights as it traveled the Arizona skies. I still don't know what it was. As a pilot and a former Air Force officer, I can say with certainty that this craft did not resemble any man-made object I had ever seen."

~ Arizona Gov. Fife Symington III

The military said they had no idea what it was. They said they got no calls about it. Phone records and eyeitness reports proved this to be a lie. This despite the fact that 2 pilots said they went up to chase it and got freaked out. Several months later, after a news program about flares, the military came up with the flare excuse, which they claimed happened at 10pm.

reply to post by spiritualarchitect


As much as I like the Linda Napolitano abduction story, I believe it to be just that. It is almost identical in every respect to a book called Nighteyes by Garfield Reeves-Stevens which came out before this alleged abduction took place in fact only months before. I got this book from the library many moons ago, its fairly convoluted and not my cup of tea, but when researching the various abduction stories, this immediately sprung to mind in this particular case.

I think this is yet another example of the sub conscious being unable to differentiate between fact and fiction and a dishonest woman and an investigator out to make a quick buck

reply to post by DeadLights


So you feel that they introduced genetic engineering to us? I've thought that myself for a long time but I'm at a loss to know why they would do such a thing as to what purpose it serves them.

Sorry I'm not quite getting the drift of your posts I don't think, are you saying the aliens are the teachers? Could you elaborate a touch?

I have researched for years on this subject, doesn't mean to say I don't have questions and aren't open to new input though

reply to post by spiritualarchitect


Goodness no. I believe in other beings, I just have no idea what their agenda is, what their purpose is and whay their intentions are towards us. If you read my op you will see the questions I raised but my own belief was never part of it

Originally posted by phyllida
reply to post by spiritualarchitect

 

Goodness no. I believe in other beings, I just have no idea what their agenda is, what their purpose is and whay their intentions are towards us. If you read my op you will see the questions I raised but my own belief was never part of it

Apparently, the reptilians have been here on Earth all along.
They were here before us. They live underground.
The Orion Grays arrived only recently. ( 10,000 years )
We were star seeded here from other star systems.
Vega Star System

reply to post by TauCetixeta


Aye so I've read that the Draco are in fact evolved from the dinosaurs and have always been here and are allegedly at war with the plaedians/andromedans

If they have always been here and we were seeded, which if you read the Book of Enoch that seems highly likely, then why are they so shy in being seen? Why didn't they pop up after we got put here and anihilate us? Or introduce themselves? Or take control and become the dominant species? Why live underground instead of above ground? Why is there no evidence of buildings or artifacts of their existence?

Bah questions questions lol