Why America is Severely Broken - Meet Alice Walton

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posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 12:16 AM
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Yea, unfortunately people are stupid here and continue to complain about jobs going over seas but then they shop at the stores that sell those exact products.... I have ZERO problem spending a little more money with local businesses (mom and pop shops)... I search them out and stay loyal. I wish more people acted like that...

Walmart markets to lower income classes and exploit those struggling families by any means necessary.

I've never met a person with money shopping at Walmart, it seems to always be struggling families...




posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 12:28 AM
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The problem is NOT Walmart or Wall Street or whatever business you care to insert.

The problem is a broken political system where big corporations can get legislation and policies passed that lead to severe economic in-balance (what they take out of our society vs. the benefit).

If you want to really start solving some of these issues the answer is in Washington DC, not Walmart.

1. Stop voting for the 2 parties and re-electing career politicians.
2. Reform the government with term limits for all offices.
3. Reform the campaign and contribution system to eliminate corporate buying of legislation.

It was bought and paid for congress and senate members who passed the tariffs that allow China to under-cut home grown businesses, violate copyrights wholesale, etc.

It was bought and paid for legislation that allows companies like Walmart to play games w/ overtime, wages and benefits.

It's a bought and paid for environment that has eliminated the last refuge of the working poor - (unions). I'm not a fan of them but when no one else will protect the public interest someone needs to.

Attacking these companies one at a time accomplishes nothing. We need new leadership in government willing to pursue new ideas. We need to go through and eliminate legislation that gives big corporations benefits at the public's expense. We need policies and legislation that encourage new models of business that are based on sustainability. That means economic as well as ecologic sustainability, not just "green" BS and propaganda like having special trash cans in the office.

Our forefathers designed a system that can work but they could not protect us from rampant corruption the public is too apathetic to do something about. We don't need to convert to socialism or keep waiting for unchecked capitalism to finally trickle down. We just need enough people to actually use the tools available and to be strong enough not to allow themselves to be sidetracked or corrupted. We can't solve these issues going after thousands of companies but we can solve it by using the democratic process and fixing it from the top down.

What are we waiting for? Someone else to do it for us?



posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 12:39 AM
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Originally posted by ecoparity
The problem is NOT Walmart or Wall Street or whatever business you care to insert.

The problem is a broken political system where big corporations can get legislation and policies passed that lead to severe economic in-balance (what they take out of our society vs. the benefit).

If you want to really start solving some of these issues the answer is in Washington DC, not Walmart.

1. Stop voting for the 2 parties and re-electing career politicians.
2. Reform the government with term limits for all offices.
3. Reform the campaign and contribution system to eliminate corporate buying of legislation.

It was bought and paid for congress and senate members who passed the tariffs that allow China to under-cut home grown businesses, violate copyrights wholesale, etc.

It was bought and paid for legislation that allows companies like Walmart to play games w/ overtime, wages and benefits.

It's a bought and paid for environment that has eliminated the last refuge of the working poor - (unions). I'm not a fan of them but when no one else will protect the public interest someone needs to.

Attacking these companies one at a time accomplishes nothing. We need new leadership in government willing to pursue new ideas. We need to go through and eliminate legislation that gives big corporations benefits at the public's expense. We need policies and legislation that encourage new models of business that are based on sustainability. That means economic as well as ecologic sustainability, not just "green" BS and propaganda like having special trash cans in the office.

Our forefathers designed a system that can work but they could not protect us from rampant corruption the public is too apathetic to do something about. We don't need to convert to socialism or keep waiting for unchecked capitalism to finally trickle down. We just need enough people to actually use the tools available and to be strong enough not to allow themselves to be sidetracked or corrupted. We can't solve these issues going after thousands of companies but we can solve it by using the democratic process and fixing it from the top down.

What are we waiting for? Someone else to do it for us?


And while we are waiting for a hundred million individuals to get on the same page, this nation will
be over taken by the economic interests of several thousand.



posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 01:09 AM
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We live in a world where we are judged now by our status instead of our guilt! This has happened only because we let it! We were willing to let our morals be shaped by greed and fame! When we give these kinds of concessions how can we expect to see anything less then what has now become reality? We have only to turn on the television to see this is the truth! Demoralization is a process that has been happening since the days that the peace movement was destroyed! Since then we have become fools, oblivious to the changes happening to the world around us! Only now, as the speed at which we percieve these things and the detrimental effects of these changes become apparent! I believe the powers that be no longer believe the masses have any ability to effect change, or maybe they have increased the rate of change because they are interested in seeing a violent opposition! No matter the case, there is very little the individual can do to change these aspects of social injustice! Only when the divided, unite in solidarity and create a peaceful movement will TPTB become powerless to effect our ability to evolve beyond these injustices! Unfortunately we have a long way to go before this can become a reality! Maybe only God can cause us to realize the truth before decay becomes omnipotent!



posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 01:24 AM
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I have heard how wealthy the Wallmart family is but I never seen it in black and white for all to read like this. All I can say is it makes me vomit in my mouth a little.

An idea! Well it's not my idea it's an old idea but I think if we all do it everything will be better. Have you ever heard of ROBIN HOOD?



posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 02:08 AM
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Originally posted by intrptr

BS. All those years "made in China" was on every cheap thing sold here, I hated it. But I had little choice. I had to buy it because there was little else on the shelf.


I always try to buy European or American manufactured goods before I buy anything Chinese.

But it is often so hard to find things that aren't manufactured in China!



posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 02:26 AM
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Look at all the corporate shills defending a corporation that will never ever defend the average American.



posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 03:03 AM
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Originally posted by Honor93

Originally posted by rockymcgilicutty
reply to post by The Old American
 


Tell that to rubbermaid.They kicked their door in and used muscle , here's the link in black and white.

www.sprawl-busters.com...

edit on 6-1-2013 by rockymcgilicutty because: (no reason given)

classic corporatism ... not capitalism.
i really wish ppl would learn the difference.

WalMart reminds me of a zit that won't go away.
WalMart lacks ethics, equality and community involvement.
corporatists like those of WalMart belong in jail for racketeering against the American public.
(and RubberMaid specifically, along with many others over the years)



Thank you. I'm glad someone seems to understand there are major differences between capitalism and corporatism.

And I keep hearing people say stuff like "You gave them the power-- you choose to work there, you choose to shop there, and if you didn't, they wouldn't be able to do what they do. You have power, etc etc...."

And maybe that's true in theory. But wal mart is such a massive corporation that it would take a super massive coordinated effort in order to truly affect them. And in the meantime that would be a lot of people needing other work (which sometimes isn't there) or needing products which they may have difficulty getting elsewhere, or for more money.



posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 03:06 AM
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It seems like many of you fail to realize, or conveniently ignore the fact that when a company becomes as massive as wal mart, they have an equally massive amount of power, leverage, momentum, etc. The waltons have more money than they could ever need, and more than even their kids could ever need, or grandkids, even if none of them ever saw a dime come in ever again. They could choose to truly help the country and the economy by spreading a little more of their profits around to the many many employees whose sweat they've been reaping massive collective rewards from, for years.

If they decided to pay their associates something "crazy" (in this usage that word is pronounced something like FAY-ER) like $15 or even $20 an hour, like someone mentioned earlier, I bet they could still turn an okay profit for the people nearer the top of the pyramid. And imagine, if that many people suddenly had a relatively comfortable, fair "living wage." I've read there are around one-and-a-half million employees in the united states, which is supposedly about one percent of the entire work-force. If all of those people suddenly had more money, they would be able to spend it. Not only at wal mart, and put money right back into the company, but at many other businesses. I'm willing to bet some more people would be able to save a little, or perhaps be able to get small loans, in an attempt to start their own small business. That one change could massively benefit the entire nation. But they won't do it, because they need to keep watching impossibly high numbers on paper (I mean come on... after 15-20 billion dollars of personal wealth... it's really just a fun little numbers game... like getting a high score on pac man) become impossibly higher.

But hey.... they deserve to be able to hoard more money than they could possibly need, or will likely ever use, because they're "job creators," right?





Fact: Walmart is a Job Killer

Walmart store openings destroy almost three local jobs for every two they create by reducing retail employment by an average of 2.7 percent in every county they enter.[1]

Walmart cost America an estimated 196,000 jobs – mainly manufacturing jobs – between 2001 and 2006 as a result of the company’s imports from China.[2]


Walmart workers average just $8.81 hour.[3] This translates to annual pay of $15,576, based upon Walmart’s full-time status of 34 hours per week.[4] This is less than 70% of the poverty line for a family of four.[5]

Walmart pays less than other retail firms. A 2005 study found that Walmart workers earn an estimated 12.4% less than retail workers as a whole, and 14.5% less than workers in large retail in general.[6] A 2007 study which compared Wal-mart to other general merchandising employers found a wage gap of 17.4%.[7]

Last year, Walmart slashed already meager health benefits, leaving more workers uninsured.[8]

Fact: Taxpayers Are Paying the Price for Walmart

Despite all the damage they have done to US workers and communities, a 2007 study found that, as of that date, Walmart had received more than $1.2 billion in tax breaks, free land, infrastructure assistance, low-cost financing and outright grants from state and local governments around the country.[9] This number has surely increased as Walmart continues to receive additional subsidies.



Link: Top Reasons The Walton Family and Wal Mart Are Not Job Creators



posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 03:47 AM
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She probably needs that 21 billion for.. a boat or something... And yano, those people working at walmart are doing just fine... someone else has got their back... Someone else will take care of their problems, its not up to their employer to pay them a proper wage...

Lol, capitalism. Go and die.



posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 04:22 AM
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That is just an example of ONE of the many reasons America is broken...



posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 04:28 AM
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Alice Walton provide jobs at a certain wage for people that want jobs at a certain wage.

Alice Walton did not force any of those people to accept that job at a certain wage.

Alice Walton did not force any of those people to make babies they could not afford.

Alice Walton is better than you and you are a sore loser. Wah!! Get over it. Move on. Grow up. Learn responsibility. Manage your own life and stop asking for handouts. What? Are you still crying and admitting that Alice Walton is better than you?



posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 05:27 AM
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there are 2 things that would work here:

1. tax the 5#!t out of walmart.and make them actually pay
or
2. Pay a better wage and let the income tax increase on employees make up any difference



posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 05:33 AM
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Originally posted by XXX777
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Alice Walton provide jobs at a certain wage for people that want jobs at a certain wage.

Alice Walton did not force any of those people to accept that job at a certain wage.

Alice Walton did not force any of those people to make babies they could not afford.

Alice Walton is better than you and you are a sore loser. Wah!! Get over it. Move on. Grow up. Learn responsibility. Manage your own life and stop asking for handouts. What? Are you still crying and admitting that Alice Walton is better than you?


This is really, really easy to post, but the truth is that you're so far out of touch with reality that I don't even know where to begin when refuting it.

No one is forced to take a job, you're right. Walmart provides a job at a specific wage, and people do have the choice to take that job or not.

What you do not seem to understand is the position that many potential employees are in at the moment. U6 unemployment is sitting at around 16.5-17%, while "real" unemployment, about 22-23%. I can cite sources for this if you wish, but the former figure is available via the BLS.

What is happening here is coercion. Different from slavery, but not all that far removed. Workers are, under the threat of joblessness, homelessness, poverty in general, coerced into taking jobs that provide such little benefits and pay that the U.S. Government is forced to pick up the tab.

Now, you can reiterate your point in saying that they are not forced--you're correct, but again, coercion is the issue here, not force. Not taking that job means sinking further down into the hole of potential poverty and debt, and quitting that job to find another, however unlikely that may be, means exactly the same.

On top of these factors, being fired has the same consequences, so workers are coerced while on the job into performing duties far and beyond their job description, pushing their capacity to work and productiveness to it's absolute limit.

I hope you can look a bit beyond your childlike perception of reality and understand the difference between purely voluntary work, work under duress and coercion, and slavery.

Onto Walmart itself:

laborcenter.berkeley.edu...


CONCLUSION
Should policy makers consider supporting legislation that would raise wages at Walmart? Should
they be concerned that low-income shoppers will bear the cost if Walmart is required to increase its
minimum wage to $12 an hour?
Our data suggests that a $12 per hour minimum wage standard at Walmart would be effective in
aiding lower-income families. If Walmart increased its minimum wage to $12 per hour, 41.4 percent
of the income gain would accrue to workers with wages below 200 percent FPL. These low-wage
workers could expect to earn an additional $1,670 to $6,500 a year in income.
If Walmart passed on 100 percent of the wage increase to consumers through price increases, which
is unlikely, the impact for the average Walmart shopper would be $12.49 a year (Table 6, page 8). We
estimate that 28.1 percent of the impact of the price increase would be borne by shoppers with
incomes below 200 percent FPL.


For reference, FPL means the Federal Poverty Level.

For this reason it is actually in Walmart's best interest to RAISE the minimum wage as they can easily afford to pay more, pushing even more competitors out of the market as they are unable to compete. Is this good or bad? I'll let you figure that out.

www.forbes.com...


So if Wal-Mart wanted to avoid paying anything for its employees under MaxTax, it could simply make sure that none of them made more than $14,403 a year (they’d have to do this by ensuring their employees worked fewer than 40 hours a week, since this works out to be slightly less than minimum wage). Or, a single mom with two kids could make $24,352–a whopping $11.71 an hour, working full time. That’s more than the average Wal-Mart employee made last year. So long as Wal-Mart made sure its employees applied for Medicaid (something it already does in states where its employees are eligible), it would pay nothing. Nada, zip. Nothing.”


Walmart is dodging paying for healthcare, again, by keeping wages artificially low, and having it's employees to apply for Medicaid instead... to avoid paying for their healthcare.

A shining example of American Entrepreneurship.



posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 06:21 AM
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Stop whining. Walmart learned how to dick people over and others failed. Now this woman can sit on her money and do what all the welfare people do. sit on their butts while the rest of us work.



posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 07:46 AM
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Walmart was a key player in shutting down American Manufacturing because they stopped buying goods made in America because they wanted to buy the cheaper made in China goods to increase their profit. Thats how it works


Our government created the environment that shut down manufacturing. Over regulation, over taxed, stringent EPA rules and of course, free trade agreements that no one ever wants to bring up.



posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 08:00 AM
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I can tell you this, if I was worth 21 billion dollars I wouldn't look like that, I'd be dressed better and I'd look like Paris Hilton (Or as close as the doctors could get me to look like her!) Holy Hell they're so greedy they don't even buy nicer clothes or pay for plastic surgery? God even a box of hair dye????



posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 08:27 AM
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What we have here is two-fold; a case study in the moronification of a nation and a case study on how to build a wildly successful business. First, Wal-Mart didn't spring up overnight - it grew over time. Why? Because people WANTED to buy cheap junk from China and people STILL want to buy cheap junk from China. As the demand for cheap junk from China increased, so did Wal-Mart's sales. As a result they expanded. As a publicly traded company they have an obligation to their shareholders to turn a profit. To do so, they have simply given Americans more of what they wanted - cheap junk from China!

The other case study, the moronification of a nation, is a bit more interesting as low-information voters ignored the very loud outcry from local businesses who repeatedly plead with these shoppers to "invest" a little more to keep American businesses profitable. Instead, these Americans decided that their individual finances were more important than the country's - which is ironic given the "Collective" mentality of these low-information voters.

Nope, your premise is flawed OP. America is severely broken because Americans have lost all sense of national identity and become narcissistic idiots! And then they cry when the chickens come home to roost. Patriotic Americans have warned for nearly a generation that we were headed this way - and now, here we are!



posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 08:33 AM
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Originally posted by WaterBottle
Look at all the corporate shills defending a corporation that will never ever defend the average American.


you have to treat corporations like as junkyard dog. they do their job quite well, so long as they are chained or fenced in. if released, they will bite indiscriminately. corporations are the new dictatorships
actually read the definition below of facism, and tell me how it is different from what is being proposed or partially implemented in america, through the corporate business culture
en.wikipedia.org...

i especially want to emphasise this paragragraph:
Fascism recognizes the occurrence of class conflict, and advocates a resolution to end the division of classes within a nation and secure national solidarity.[8] However fascism publicly favours proletarian culture while it rejects bourgeois culture, due to its association of proletarian culture with economic production and claims that proletarians as producers must have a dominant role in the nation.[9] It claims that cultural nationalization of society is necessary to emancipate the nation's proletariat, and promotes the assimilation of all classes into a proletarian national culture.[8]. and claims that cultural nationalization of society emancipates the nation's proletariat, and promotes the assimilation of all classes into a proletarian nation.[8]
edit on 7-1-2013 by jimmyx because: addition



posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 09:11 AM
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Originally posted by sconner755

Originally posted by Sphota

Originally posted by sconner755
Why does somebody being rich mean America is broken? It means America is working.

If this were a socialist or communist state, then somebody being rich would mean socialism or communism is broken. Those are the systems designed to make sure nobody is rich.


I give you five minutes to define these terms:

-communism
-socialism


And, I'm gonna need you to explain how capitalism is not synonymous with entrepreneurship, democracy, and free market. Otherwise, I'm gonna have to ask that you stop posting, cause I'm getting sick of the superficial American public school understanding of comcialism and soshunists. It was worn thin in the late 80s and early 90s when they were regularly beat it into my head, and it still just doesn't have any real substantial or empirical merit....but it warms my heart that the same ol' propaganda is still in working order.


Who are you to ask me to stop posting, or demand I define anything for you?

Please, enlighten us with examples of socialist and communist economies so we can see the superiority of your non-American public education.


My apologies. I'm just sick of economic and political terms being used as buzz words with absolutely no content to back it up.

You can post til the cows come home, I'm just sick of people throwing all these seemingly interchangeable socio-economic terms into the discussion as though have of those posting knew what they meant (when they don't).

As far as me...no, I enjoyed the wonderful, superior education of Broward County and Maricopa County public schools and after 13 years of hearing communism, communism, communism, I realized almost 100% of what I knew I learned from 80s us vs. them movies, the pledge of allegiance, and some oft repeated phrase that went like "...government controls the means of production...."

Also, far as I can tell, you can be rich in a socialist country and it need not be a weather vane of doom and gloom...case in point, the Walton family here in our wonderful socialist nation (actually, one of the crappier ones, so you might have something to what you said...)

As far as insults, none were particularly meant, just the generic stuff I went over above.






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