Why America is Severely Broken - Meet Alice Walton

Why does somebody being rich mean America is broken? It means America is working.

If this were a socialist or communist state, then somebody being rich would mean socialism or communism is broken. Those are the systems designed to make sure nobody is rich.

reply to post by The Old American


Give me a break. Yeah, the mentally retarded people that inhabit this country are so choosy for Chinese goods in spite of how it affects their or their family or friends' jobs. That's like a school teacher saying about her kindergarten class, "oh, well, they wanted cupcakes and coke for lunch, not my fault they got a sugar high and wet themselves, killed the class hamster and destroyed their desks.

The American public, for the most part, are totally ignorant to the ways of the world. Most Americans are like children. You have to hold their hands and say "see, this is where you buy things so your baby mama can keep her job."

They were discussing that strike by union workers at Walmart on NPR a couple of weeks back. They interviewed folks breaking the picket line to go shopping. The majority of those they interviewed said that they identified with the striking workers' grievances but still were shopping there because of how cheap it was........DUH! Give me a frigging break. Americans are #tards...I'm related to them.

Originally posted by sconner755
Why does somebody being rich mean America is broken? It means America is working.

If this were a socialist or communist state, then somebody being rich would mean socialism or communism is broken. Those are the systems designed to make sure nobody is rich.

I give you five minutes to define these terms:

-communism
-socialism


And, I'm gonna need you to explain how capitalism is not synonymous with entrepreneurship, democracy, and free market. Otherwise, I'm gonna have to ask that you stop posting, cause I'm getting sick of the superficial American public school understanding of comcialism and soshunists. It was worn thin in the late 80s and early 90s when they were regularly beat it into my head, and it still just doesn't have any real substantial or empirical merit....but it warms my heart that the same ol' propaganda is still in working order.

Originally posted by Sphota

Originally posted by sconner755
Why does somebody being rich mean America is broken? It means America is working.

If this were a socialist or communist state, then somebody being rich would mean socialism or communism is broken. Those are the systems designed to make sure nobody is rich.

I give you five minutes to define these terms:

-communism
-socialism


And, I'm gonna need you to explain how capitalism is not synonymous with entrepreneurship, democracy, and free market. Otherwise, I'm gonna have to ask that you stop posting, cause I'm getting sick of the superficial American public school understanding of comcialism and soshunists. It was worn thin in the late 80s and early 90s when they were regularly beat it into my head, and it still just doesn't have any real substantial or empirical merit....but it warms my heart that the same ol' propaganda is still in working order.

Who are you to ask me to stop posting, or demand I define anything for you?

Please, enlighten us with examples of socialist and communist economies so we can see the superiority of your non-American public education.

The burden not only rests on the weakest shoulders of society. The government puts extra weight on them as days go by. This situation is unsustainable and they know it. Our economic model is totally obsolete and based on debt.

The reason it is based on debt, is because the rich and powerful want obedient slaves, i.e. a cheap workforce to serve them and make them even richer.

The only reason the rich contribute so much to charity, is not because they are altruistic individuals, quite on the contrary. To them it's only interesting because of the fiscal benefits.

Originally posted by CristobalColonic

Originally posted by newcovenant
These are facts I find disturbing

Disturbing only??

I find them enraging enough to start a revolution over!

I would love to do that myself. I think it is a lot like anything else;
Before you can figure out how to solve it - First you have to recognize there is a problem.
Many people, believe it or not...are not on board.

Originally posted by The Old American

You might say people are not forced to work for Walmart but since they put American Manufacturing out of business - jobs are gone ans yes they are forced to work in the only place in town.

WalMart is a retail store, not a manufacturer. They didn't put anyone out of business in the manufacturing sector. They also didn't put anyone out of business in retail. The consumers did by choosing WalMart over Retailer X.

Other than that, it's her money and she can do with it what she pleases with it.

/TOA

I see this argument put forth way to often where it is the consumers fault that America is loaded with Chinese Junk.

There have been many polls done where American's do not look where their goods are coming from, but are buying based on price and availability. They are not choosing products because they are from China.

Free Trade and Foreign Economic Policy lobbied by corporations and Banks are what determine what is available for the consumer to buy. They bring it to the market via thier policies and THEN the people buy it. That is the order it is being done.

Originally posted by mwood
reply to post by newcovenant

 

I think America is broken because people sit around and worry & complain about people with money instead of bettering themselves so they can also rise to the top.....or at least higher than they are.

Complaining about what somebody else has or has done is irrelevant.

Like my mother always said: Don't worry about _______ , worry about yourself!

It's worked for me pretty good for 47 years. I don't have 21 Billion dollars but I do well and am happy with my life.

Yeah we all do and kudos to your mom, she sounds like a dear, but some of us look past our own full stomachs and see people starving all around us. Some people decide to do something about it instead of continuing actions that make that condition worse. That is a common trait of all but the most mal-adapted.

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Well let's just say MOST of us.

Originally posted by WeRpeons
reply to post by newcovenant

 

There are 2 Americas, one for the rich and one for the rest of us. Like they say "money talks", and I'm sure she let her money do the talking to stay out of jail. I can think of a number of "rich" who have escaped jail time because they were able to afford the best lawyers, power or celebrity status.

When our own congressional representatives would rather increase taxes on the majority that are just getting by, instead of having the rich pay their fair share, you know our system is bought and paid for by the rich. What's sad, is probably some of the same people who are just getting by with a measly paycheck are voting to put representatives in office who support these unfair tax policies that cater to the rich.

It's no longer "for the people and by the people, it's for the rich and by the rich".

This is it in a nutshell and it is an intolerable state of affairs. The penal system needs to be reworked so penalties for crime are based on guilt or innocence and not wealth and power. The field needs leveling. I think people are slowly waking up...next they will open their eyes and see what is wrong, then they'll get together and discuss solutions and after that we will see some action. You and I will be long dead unfortunately.

Originally posted by WhereIsTheBatman
The burden not only rests on the weakest shoulders of society. The government puts extra weight on them as days go by. This situation is unsustainable and they know it. Our economic model is totally obsolete and based on debt.

The reason it is based on debt, is because the rich and powerful want obedient slaves, i.e. a cheap workforce to serve them and make them even richer.

The only reason the rich contribute so much to charity, is not because they are altruistic individuals, quite on the contrary. To them it's only interesting because of the fiscal benefits.

Yes. I think you have some valid and interesting points here. People should recognize these untenable conditions and states and change them. I often wonder what it is going to take. We are like the frog who slowly boils without the sense to jump out of the pot.

Originally posted by olaru12

I only buy "Made in America" I pay a little more but in the long run it last much longer than Chinese crap.

I don't patronize Walmart or Sams Club because their power over their employees borders on slavery.

IMO it's unpatriotic to buy from companies that take advantage of cheap Chinese slave labor and foster American manufacturing to lay off Americans and move off shore. Putting profit above America is TREASON.

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Excellent answer! I admire you and think everyone should follow your lead starting of course with myself.

tax them at a rate of 99% equal to the amount of government benefits that their employees are receiving.
for example if the employees at Wal-mart store #23456 are recieving 1 million dollars a year in government poverty benefits then that store will pay 99% taxes on their first 1 million dollars of profits for that year.

Originally posted by newcovenant

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Why America is Severely Broken

This is Alice Walton

Alice Walton is worth $21 billion dollars while almost half the employees at her family's Walmart Stores are eligible for Food Stamps.

American Tax Payers are expected to make up what she would have paid in taxes because she's a "Job Creator."

American Tax Payers are also expected to pay for her Employees Food Stamps because the jobs she creates won't pay enough to get by.

Is it really so much to ask the "Job Creators" in the USA to try and get by on a few billion less so that American Taxpayers don't have to foot the bill for their Employee's Food Stamps?

This should be circulated to ALL Walmart employees and the families of those employees.

Originally posted by sconner755

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
to me the problem is the hoarding of the resources. if they spent more, we'd all be a little better off i think

it doesn't do much good just being numbers on paper

Yes, if we took her entire $21 billion and distributed it evenly to everybody in the US, we would each get $60.

Balance that with closing down Walmart and the loss of 2.1 million jobs.

Walmart is not the only offender that relies on cheap Chinese labor.
They say the top 5% own a good chunk of this countries wealth.
If we reversed these Free Trade Policies, which is anything but free, and placed tariffs or other measures on imports, it would shift that great wealth disparity downward giving American's more jobs and hence, the ability to pay taxes the top 5% complain about.


Were not talking about just Walmart, but the top 5% that rely on cheap foreign labor.

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Meanwhile we are buying most things from those Communist countries. If we denounce them so soundly - why does America do it's shopping there?

Go to any store, even at Wal-mart and see where the products are made. I promise you 9 out of 10 will be made in China. Thats why american is falling. Used to be everything was made here and exported abroad and the Dollar wasn't as inflated, now it's all made abroad and imported to here and inflation is skyhigh. Back then you could by a gallon of gas for 10 cents or a soda from the soda fountain shop for 5 cents or a comic book for 10 cents. Back then our government had a tighter hand on it's checkbook, and the federal reserve wasn't printing money just for hell of helping to shove us down the hole faster. Days were real good back then, kids could play outside without having to worry about being kidnapped and sold into the slave trade right here on our own soil, or being sold drugs that would kill them or ruin their lives. Back in those days this nation operated on christian values and believed in God and people were held accountable for the things they did. But it's gone and there ain't any getting it back because we let it get away from us.

Originally posted by newcovenant
reply to post by The Old American

 

What terrible logic.
Consumers want heroin too, but that doesn't mean we are going to make it easy to get.

Actually, it is easy to get.

reply to post by sconner755

Why does somebody being rich mean America is broken? It means America is working.

America isn't working when the person got rich by moving the manufacturing overseas. Over the years WalMart has earned the name small town killer because that is what it does.

Originally posted by buster2010
reply to post by sconner755

 

Why does somebody being rich mean America is broken? It means America is working.

America isn't working when the person got rich by moving the manufacturing overseas. Over the years WalMart has earned the name small town killer because that is what it does.

Walmart has been attacked by unions. Walmart is a re-seller, just like Amazon. Neither moved manufacturing overseas.

The truth is the products are cheaper to produce overseas because the labor cost in the US is disproportionately high. The consumers decide what products to buy, not Walmart.

Originally posted by jacobe001

Originally posted by The Old American

You might say people are not forced to work for Walmart but since they put American Manufacturing out of business - jobs are gone ans yes they are forced to work in the only place in town.

WalMart is a retail store, not a manufacturer. They didn't put anyone out of business in the manufacturing sector. They also didn't put anyone out of business in retail. The consumers did by choosing WalMart over Retailer X.

Other than that, it's her money and she can do with it what she pleases with it.

/TOA

I see this argument put forth way to often where it is the consumers fault that America is loaded with Chinese Junk.

There have been many polls done where American's do not look where their goods are coming from, but are buying based on price and availability. They are not choosing products because they are from China.

Free Trade and Foreign Economic Policy lobbied by corporations and Banks are what determine what is available for the consumer to buy. They bring it to the market via thier policies and THEN the people buy it. That is the order it is being done.

My argument isn't that consumers prefer Chinese goods, it's that consumers continue to buy products from WalMart. The end result is the same, however, in that WalMart continues to be the largest retailer in the world because people keep buying goods from them. Quite a number of those goods happen to be from China.

It's not the "fault" of the consumers, it's the result of the consumers. Well, that and government playing favorites.

/TOA

This woman needs to be sacked on the basis that her habitual drunken driving makes her a serious threat to whatever community she inhabits!