Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin

So why you see articles about any western state providing support to the FSA they are not meaning Al-Qa’ida.

Because it is meddling in the afairs of others.
In other words: Only Syrian people have a right to say wether Assad's time is up or not. Me, You, USA, Qatar, Turkey, France, UK have no right to decide the fates of others including the fates of Syrian people. It is their own responsobility.

Besides, Look at what happened in Lybia. Extreme muslim groups have risen to power such as "Muslim Brotherhood". Same hapenned in Egypt.

Originally posted by Juggernog
Someone, NATO, UN, EU or some other power is systematically taking down the Arab states that were prosperous and had liberal islamic views.
First it was Egypt, yea not very prosperous but they were tolerant to a lot of non muslim.
Then you have Libya, which was by far the most prosperous country in Northern Africa, maybe even the entire continent and they were also very liberal.
Next up is Syria and its civil war whose rebels are largely made up of non Syrians, just as it was in Libya and Egypt.
Come on, does it have to hit you right in the face before you can see whats going on?

edit on 1/6/2013 by Juggernog because: (no reason given)

Yes, most are too stupid or I should say, deluded,programmed. Those who are not stupid are intentionally obtuse.
I don't know if anyone here has any knowledge of prophecies in Daniel but the little horn is taking down three of the ten horns. Soon as syria is finished. and guess who's behind it all..un obama nato

Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
I agree the Syrian people have the right to self-determination independent from actions of other states.

If however the people of Syria state they no longer wish to be under the rule of Assad and if it is clear that Assad is committing crimes against humanity then as global citizens we have a moral obligation to provide them with assistance if they are willing to accept to aid them in their effort.

I'm not convinved that Assad is killing Syrian civilians. MSM have blamed Assad for killing of thousands of civilians in massacres that have occured in recent months. However, the problem with MSM side of story is that their sources were from terrorists, or as you call them "FSA".

Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
The point I am making however to you is that just because America provides assistance to the FSA does not mean they are also providing assistance to Al-Qa’ida.

Ok, it doesn't. However The fact that extreme muslim grups are getting into Syrian conflict is a sign that if Assad falls, Syria will too. Because it will end like Lybia after Gaddafi - in the hands of extremist who force bloodshed and 'Sheria' law or whatever it's called. Sheria law is oppresive and will bring Syria into even more destabilized place - just as the foreign powers want they want to destabilize Syria just like Libya and Egypt. They want to destabilize the whole region!

Assad called for dialogue only after he realized that the apposing forces might just win. By then why would the rebels want to negotiate when they now have a chance to do it their way on their own terms?


Situations like this is where some people say the U.S. should stay out of others' business. But looking at it from the U.S. government perspective why not take advantage of an opportunity to turn the tables to your advantage if it can be done without stirring the pot too much?

Don't get me wrong if I was in charge I wouldn't kill women or children on purpose in the process but I can't say that I wouldn't put a few cooks in the kitchen.

This is what many countries are doing in Syria. And if those countries didn't go in there covertly like they did then Assad likely would have long smashed the resistance by now. Those governments that have their guys in there might not know full well each others objectives but they know where each other are and are staying out of each others way. Also, it is likely that some of their objectives are one and the same i.g. topple the Assad regime. And, it is likely that some of these are working together in these covert operations.

And in the end it is those governments (US, SA, UK, France and Turkey) that will be the leaders of much of the opposition forces and are now in a good position to negotiate advantages to their respective governments.

This is the way it works, no country would be left alone to have their own civil war among themselves, even if the U.S.A. went into civil war say because the government passed a law that banned guns other governments would get involved in hopes that they could turn the tides to their advantage.

This is the way it is. All that we can do is try to control our own government as much as we can by way of voting, petitioning, protesting or whatever means. Other than that speaking from an American perspective we have limited control over what our government does and we don't always agree with our governments policies, but all we can do is all we can do and the actions of our government is largely out of our hands. The U.S. government is going to reach as far as they can within the boundaries set forth by the laws enacted by the people and THEN go a kilometer further.


-Alien

Originally posted by ausername

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
it is much easier to support russia and china for their better track record....and of course their proxies by default. Not saying i love russia or china either. They are simply the underdog and people normally route for underdogs.

Extremely high probability you are going to deeply regret saying that soon.

QFT,

For what those nations have planned, no one on Earth would support. But it will be too late by then.

God Bless,

Yeah! ASSad is an educated man to kill woman and kids! ASSad is loved by his blood thirsty militants! ASSad is an old puppet for Russia! this is very interesting that a killer in near down state is purging by some guys in this website.this is a shame...shame on you for admiring a dirty killer who kills his own people and his 60.000 killed record still growing up!
this is not good for ATS to publish such ASSad's supporter guys.

ATS is not a place to washing killers bloody hands! wake up! ASSad will falling to trash can of history very soon!
you post is insulting to families of killed people by ASSad the killer.

I listened to about 15min of this speech and will get back ot it. But what it is so far is a classic "scary bad guys" speech. I mean very scary "black cloud" bad guys. Heavy on the emotive and rhetorical. Mind you, not questioning facts just going to give a look see of the speech as far as speeches go.

Everywhere this damn Al Qaeda shows up, our CIA seems to be involved.

When people see this "cozy" or convenient relationship, do they ever stop to look back on 9/11 with new eyes?

Now we do keep killing "#2 of Al Qaeda" but in remains to be seen if there isn't an "Al Qaeda" and an "Al Qaeda*".

Yea, I started listening to his speech and stopped cause...maybe he's an actor, maybe he's not, I will never know. I don't really listen to our president, cause I don't know him. They all sound so awesome at times and then turn around and somehow f*ck over, kill a bunch of their peoples (or allow others to do this) that they are supposed to care for. It is utter BS!! I feel for the people stuck in this war, death, carnage, destruction, slavery, without any options. All those innocent people without a voice in all this. Can we hear from these people? Do they want help? Has anyone heard from the "people" the ones suffering here, or are we believing the news, media, spies, or governments? Are the people asking for help? If they ask I understand helping them, if they did not ask, then WTF are we doing there? We cannot help anyone, we cannot help ourselves. We all are going down the crapper aren't we, where else is there to go? I say lets get this over with maybe on the next Earth people will give a s*it about one another and not try to control and use and have power over another human being. I Love you all as I love myself, good luck world!

He does seem to be very knowledgeable. It is dascinating where we're headed in the world

Seriously! who are we to decide whether Assad should stay in charge of Syria or not?
Syrian people know the situation much better than most of you here. Foreign powers who meddle in Syria are the real terrorists!

If Syrian people wanted to topple Assad he would be long gone. Currently these predatory foreign powers are destabilizing Syria and planning assasination on Assad, Remember Lybia and how they (foreign powers) assasinated al-Gaddafi, a leader who was loved by most of his people!

Lybia is now in ruins and in debt (Lybia was not in debt during al-Gaddafi), national oil wells were sold to foreign corporations, country is destroyed. THIS is what's coming to Syria if we let the vultures invade it. A foreign meat grinder, corporate scavenging scum - just like in Lybia!