reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin
Dude I agree with you don’t try speaking to me like you are to other posters.
Ok. Can I ask you a question? What's more bothersome to you: the tone in which I've been speaking to darknstormy (which has been growing more
aggressive) or the untruth that darknstormy is spreading?
Also, if you agree with me, why did you describe my argument as "MY truth", as if there were some discrepancy between the objective facts and my
telling of them?
If my explanation aligns with the facts, THATS ALL THAT SHOULD MATTER. Granted, I've allowed myself some leeway in attacking darknstormy, mainly
because I find his argument so arrogant in its abuse of the basic facts that I don't care to show him the normative respect I would usually show.
Indeed, it isn't "good" in leading him to a proper response, but that's mainly due to my belief that hes already so far out in left field that it
would be pointless to continue speaking to him with the usual decor. He wont budge.
That being said, I probably should have restrained myself a little more. I let my passion get the better of me.
I stress that word, attempts, at intellectual elitism and bullying.
Intellectual elitism? Take a step back from the foray and look at this thread. Do you think I would parade things like my degree in political science
and the general agreement that demographics are primary amongst academics if I weren't utterly astounded by the stupidity of what darknstormy is
claiming? It's not intellectual elitism. It's amazement that ATS could tolerate such a wanton abuse of logic, and that this type of inanity could be
rewarded with stars, creating the dismal perception that darknstormy has an intellectually defensible position.
It's the sheer irony that fuels my acerbic responses. As said, it would have been better to speak more genially. But I don't think your mind is any
more in the right place by caring more about my "tone" and a perceived intellectual "elitism" than the nonsense that darknstormy is arguing.
It is very arrogant however for us to presume their ignorance because they disagree with us and to try to force them to change their views.
I don't get what you mean. If someone is claiming something unfactual, and you make an effort to apprise him of that, and he still refuses, I think
ignorance, nay, a basic intellectual ignorance of how reason works, would be the only explanation left.
By forcing your truth down their throats the way you are you just annoy people.
Maybe my impish side takes over after I figure that out???
I get what you mean. Self control is of course important. But there are always two sides: the other side is the fact that this site USED to be far
better than this. I realize people have bizarre views; I also realize that this site is a home for people with bizarre views. But the in the middle
east forum? If the motto of this site is to mean anything, ignorance should be opposed, not accommodated with tact.
In any case, the fact remains, this site pushes away intellectuals, particularly those with a knowledge of political subjects. I love the idea of
being able to go online in your free time to debate politics; I understand that that means even ignorant people get a say; but I utterly hate seeing
ignorance being rewarded instead of knowledge. And it's not for the reason you would suspect - my ego (of course to a little degree), but mainly my
desire to see people acting intelligently, reasonably, and responsibly. When facts are ignored, how irresponsible is that? It's ridiculous. Its the
root crime. When people don't challenge their own suppositions, when they let some "fact" they've picked up fester without critique, disputing
reason because it affects them too deeply?? I'm a philosophically minded guy. My idealism always shows up in situations like these. I want people to
take control of themselves - to stifle their egocentrism; to let themselves accept a position because the basic, undiluted facts - easy facts, like
demographics, and not philosophically oriented "facts", which are much more colored by emotional bias, FORCE them to.
I understand people don't always respond that way, but I don't want to stop hoping that they should.