Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Akragon
I meant all of it, but that last part specifically was the answer to your question. I thought it was obvious.
Originally posted by skepticconwatcher
reply to post by Jauk3
Vestigiality to me, is just the name given by science to hide the fact that they are the ones who don't know these organs true purposes . I believe these organs actually do serve a purpose in the human body and perhaps, our lack of knowledge about their purpose is the reason why we suffer certain common physical ailments that we would otherwise not suffer if we knew what the organs true purpose was for our human body.
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by smyleegrl
I'm agnostic, but I've always wondered why people have such a hard time resolving creationism and evolution.
What if evolution is a god's creative act? In other words....evolution as the process by which a creator creates?
That would be one sorry-assed god, just sayin.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by smyleegrl
I'm agnostic, but I've always wondered why people have such a hard time resolving creationism and evolution.
What if evolution is a god's creative act? In other words....evolution as the process by which a creator creates?
That would be one sorry-assed god, just sayin.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by Jauk3
You are quite behind the times. Doctors and Scientists have determined there are no vestigial bones or organs in the human body. The Appendix, wisdom teeth, and tail bone have functions throughout a person's life.
HERE, and
HERE.
(Especially hilarious is the claim that the tailbone is vestigial. It would be really funny trying to watch someone hold their bowels in place without one.. quite a messy sight.).
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Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by smyleegrl
I'm agnostic, but I've always wondered why people have such a hard time resolving creationism and evolution.
What if evolution is a god's creative act? In other words....evolution as the process by which a creator creates?
That would be one sorry-assed god, just sayin.
And why would that be 'one sorry-assed god'? What do you find so distasteful about evolution and the possibility of divinity in its process?
You are quite behind the times. Doctors and Scientists have determined there are no vestigial bones or organs in the human body. The Appendix, wisdom teeth, and tail bone have functions throughout a person's life.
HERE, and
HERE.
(Especially hilarious is the claim that the tailbone is vestigial. It would be really funny trying to watch someone hold their bowels in place without one.. quite a messy sight.).
The erroneous "completely nonfunctional" definition of a vestige is primarily found in medical papers, textbooks, and dictionaries (e.g. Williams and Myers 1994, p. ix). Using this incorrect and nonevolutionary definition, it is logical to conclude that a structure is not vestigial if its function is discovered. For instance, based upon this incorrect definition, Williams and Myers 1994 incorrectly argue that an evolutionary vestige cannot be both a complex and a "regressive" structure (p. 27). Similarly, a modern version of Gray's Anatomy confusingly implies that the appendix cannot be both vestigial and specialized (Williams and Warwick 1980). However, vestiges are very often complex or specialized structures, in fact overly complex for their functions, and prime examples are the wing of the ostrich and the eyes of blind cavefish. A vestige can be a complex structure, in an absolute sense, while simultaneously being rudimentary or degenerate relative to the same homologous structure in other organisms.
ves·tig·i·al (v-stj-l, -stjl) adj.
2. Biology Occurring or persisting as a rudimentary or degenerate structure
Ad homs and appeals to ridicule. Typical response from someone who cannot address the issue itself.
There is no such thing as "vestigial organs", that's been debunked for over 2 decades.
He/she would be a god who was impotent to encode all the diversity of life from the start in each organism's DNA. Would need millions+ years to achieve their plans for creation. And use such a random and wholly inefficient means to do so. Yeah, sorry-assed.
Originally posted by Jauk3
In the context of human evolution, human vestigiality involves those characters (such as organs or behaviors) occurring in the human species that are considered vestigial—in other words having lost all or most of their original function through evolution. Although structures usually called "vestigial" often appear functionless, a vestigial structure may retain lesser functions or develop minor new ones.[1] In some cases, structures once identified as vestigal simply had an unrecognized function.[2]
The examples of human vestigiality are numerous, including the anatomical (such as the human appendix, tailbone, wisdom teeth, and inside corner of the eye), the behavioral (goose bumps and palmar grasp reflex), sensory (decreased olfaction), and molecular (junk DNA). Many human characteristics are also vestigial in other primates and related animals..
Human Vestigiality
The concept of vestigiality applies to genetically determined structures or attributes that have apparently lost most or all of its ancestral function in a given species. Assessment of the vestigial status must generally rely on comparison with homologous features in related species. The emergence of vestigiality occurs by normal evolutionary processes, typically by loss of function of a feature that is no longer subject to positive selection pressures when it loses its value in a changing environment. More urgently the feature may be selected against when its function becomes definitely harmful. Typical examples of both types occur in the loss of flying capability in island-dwelling species.
Vestigiality
We have various organs which we don't use or we still have a small part of that organ, like our third eye lid, our tail bone, appendix, wisdom teeth, etcetera. Why would God create us with these unused body parts which serve no purpose in our body?
Let me guess,''God made it that way to test to see if you would still believe in him'' or ''the devil created it to decieve you''
