Is UFO Secrecy for our own good?

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posted on Jan, 6 2013 @ 03:10 PM
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Originally posted by randomviolins
I have been exploring the plausibility of that which is attributed to "extraterrestrial contact" is perhaps more Earthly based: interaction with humans from the future who have a clear agenda that we're not wise to yet.


There was a short period in my study and contemplation long ago when I thought all these phenomena were future humans traveling back in time. After all, these big-headed greys do look strikingly like humans evolved another billion years.

But the causality paradox trumps it dead. There's surely the associated multiple universe theory, where every event simply creates another parallel universe. It then gets outrageously wild and unwieldy. It's the butterfly effect. Then infinite dimensions, infinite time, infinite loops, infinite everything. For example, you go back in time and kill your father before you're born — what caused the first loop to start?

All in all, just too implausible. Time travel either backwards or forward just doesn't make any sense.

Whereas extraterrestrials from another star system that can tap into other energies and/or dimensions combined with wormholes or stargates make more sense.
edit on 6-1-2013 by FormerSkeptic because: typo's & clarity




posted on Jan, 6 2013 @ 03:25 PM
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Let's imagine you have a cancer or some other disease which you don't know about. Now, is it better not knowing about it and live while you have left or is it better to know you have it and beat it? Imagine how much it would change you and your life.

You choose.
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posted on Jan, 6 2013 @ 06:23 PM
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Forget about the paradox, you have to prove a paradox in the first place, if you can clone an atom and that atom behaves the same as the original, then both forms now exist at the same level, that is not a paradox, not in the future, or in the past.



posted on Jan, 6 2013 @ 08:48 PM
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I'm going to answer your question with a "yes" my thoughts are...if any country announced that the world has been visited and studied by E.T. And that they have been observing us for thousands of years. I believe people would begin to question their faith and It would then shake the very foundation of every religion around the world. Just about every battle or country that conquered another was over religious belief. Which are still being fought over today...All for Ones belief over another....soo to me that says if the world was without some sort of religion, then no one would have any morals. So if you think random mass shootings are bad now? Just wait...

Heres another senario....lets say that the government came out and said we have such technology right now? What do you think every terrorist in the world would be doing? yeah...so I would hate to imagine someone like hitler or Osama bin laden obtaining this technology and zipping around the galaxy. I mean It took us how long just to kill him here on earth? It would also give terrorists a whole new meaning of the word hijacking! Or lets say this technology was released for commercial use? could you imagine an unstable pilot navigating a space craft full of passengers while traveling to another planet while he or she is having a mental break down? people are to unpredictable...period. Though We will be ready one day....but unfortunetly not in our lifetime.....And as far as the whole time traveling goes....Well I just can't seem to get into that recent trend. To many variables of someone distorting space and time just doesnt make any sense to me and it just seems to far out there.

I also like to question, what would "YOU" do if You were another race visiting earth? Logically. Would you try to interact with humans? Or just continue to study them in a scientific manner?

Or let's say you we're a military general and you knew that we were being watched? Would you really want to be the one to tell the world that we are being visited and that you have no way of protecting anyone from this other race if they were to become hostile?



posted on Jan, 6 2013 @ 09:11 PM
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I often think of that op. Maybe the truth would be too much for most to handle. I know I want to know the truth but I can't even think what it would do to some family members.
Say there is a galactic wide war going on and earth as defenseless as it is being protected by friendly aliens but every day we inch closer to being invaded by an insectoid menace.

I had a rough time with 9/11 being glued to cnn all day long. The world would stop functioning if something like that was going on and we were told about it.

Ok I just re-read enders game series but you get the point many are not ready for the truth.



posted on Jan, 6 2013 @ 09:22 PM
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You are right on target Beck, we just are not advanced socially and mentally to handle alien intervention, not even close. our state of mind is too juvenile, you are correct on the religious aspect as well. faith would be thought as lies, and a lot of the brainwashed masses would just lose complete grip with sanity and control.This alone would destabilize billions of people. Secondly, we are still a warring planet that wants to punish our neighbors for their precieved errors for religion, territory, economic, or culture. This alone disqualifies us for real advanced level contact. I have said before that there is no limit where humans would be now if there were no wars in the past 200 years, at least colonized Mars, and advancing to our solar systems edge. All of man's efforts to improve life on Earth and go forth in space would not just evolve mankind but prove we are worthy of the next level of evolution, contact. A planet at peace and striving to achieve is where these beings are from, and they only want to observe us until we are ready, we are not, they know this. There is no doubt that life exist elsewhere and lots of it, If they have contacted our governments then they know what lying manipulating theives the govts are, and they figure the masses are no better. As for time travel, as we know time, it is linear but our level of technology is still elementary, the fabric of space and time may be "workable" but we know so little. If this watery rock with early stage beings survives, who know what we can accomplish...



posted on Jan, 6 2013 @ 09:23 PM
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Is UFO Secrecy for our own good?

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posted on Jan, 6 2013 @ 09:34 PM
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maybe that is not in our control, If they wanted us to really know and thought we could handle it, they would. A being that advanced does not think like most humans, a different level of thought and mindset, they see and hear the tv, radio and maybe other forms of our media, how would they not, they understand just how unevolved we are, and want no part of being the spark that lights the fuse. This is not for us to decide.



posted on Jan, 6 2013 @ 09:37 PM
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I have been checking the skies lately due to this site. Last night I noticed something strange. It was dark and I was stopped at a traffic light with my wife and I looked up and saw what appeared to be an aircraft with flashing lights in the sky. The weird thing was that it wasn't moving. It was in one spot! I kept looking at it for a few seconds and I actually saw a single row of windows that sort of looked like schoolbus windows. Right after that it started moving and my wife asked me what I was looking at. I told her and she accused me of losing my mind due to the Dolores Cannon book I recently read. The light changed and I drove away, but I had this eerie feeling the aircraft somehow noticed me.

I just may be losing it.
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posted on Jan, 6 2013 @ 09:47 PM
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I have seen some strange stuff too, once on an aircraft carrier in the north atlantic, It really was something because everyone went completly nuts and the radar operator told me later in private that the speed of whatever it was reached 5 times of our fastest planes and turned on a 120 angle at speeds, he was shaken and scared. there is no doubt in my mind that advanced life exists, and they know our planet and people well.



posted on Jan, 6 2013 @ 10:17 PM
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Originally posted by teslahowitzer
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I have seen some strange stuff too, once on an aircraft carrier in the north atlantic, It really was something because everyone went completly nuts and the radar operator told me later in private that the speed of whatever it was reached 5 times of our fastest planes and turned on a 120 angle at speeds, he was shaken and scared. there is no doubt in my mind that advanced life exists, and they know our planet and people well.


That's some very revealing information. I have no doubt alien tech is present right now on Earth and TPTB already have access to it.. Through some sort of pact with ET's, they are allowed access to the basics of how this tech operates. I have a bad feeling it's going to be used for negative purposes. The false flag ufo invasion theory is a example.



posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 12:12 AM
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Originally posted by smurfy
reply to post by FormerSkeptic
 
Forget about the paradox, you have to prove a paradox in the first place, if you can clone an atom and that atom behaves the same as the original, then both forms now exist at the same level, that is not a paradox, not in the future, or in the past.

But how can you forget the paradox? Paradoxical causality is the built-in logic of time travel. It's simply unavoidable in the logically understanding of the very concept. You throw out paradox, you throw out time travel altogether.



posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 12:21 AM
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Originally posted by teslahowitzer
reply to post by Outrageo
 

maybe that is not in our control, If they wanted us to really know and thought we could handle it, they would. A being that advanced does not think like most humans, a different level of thought and mindset, they see and hear the tv, radio and maybe other forms of our media, how would they not, they understand just how unevolved we are, and want no part of being the spark that lights the fuse. This is not for us to decide.

But you're assuming "they" the extraterrestrials are controlling the secrecy.

They're not.

The secrecy is controlled by humans. Watch the video in this other thread.



posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 10:46 AM
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Assume for a moment that is true, that humans control the secret, If coherent communication exists both directions, then all involved understand the implications of complete disclosure. If this is the case, who really controls the game?, you release the info and you are branded a nutcase. Their technology and minds are on a different level, if we do have info, it is very little and controlled by them, we only really know what they want us to know and they understand all of the implications, and earth is most likely not their only contact, they have played this song before, maybe many, many times, we know very little if anything.



posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 11:04 AM
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I don't know if UFO secrecy is really for our own good or not. You kind of have to understand how the whole world works as a whole.

On one hand, imagine you're the guy who has access to alien technology, or technology which far surpasses public commercial technology. Let's say you have access to a ship which can bend space-time and travel between stars and distances of light years practically. Are you going to share your secret with the whole world? Really? Think about it for a second. It's hard to know unless you're in that position. But the more you keep it out of the hands of others, the longer you hold that advantage over a large population of people to yourself. It's probably no idiot who is the one who possesses this unique advantage in technology over the masses. It's probably someone who is well aware of the advantages they possess in technology. I can imagine those in power get used to liking that power and want to keep that power.

Is this secrecy good for us? Is it bad for us? It would be easy to say, "Oh, if everyone had access to this technology, our world would be more advanced, and it would be better." Well maybe when that day comes, it will be better for everybody. Until that time, I think we have to ultimately admit our lack of understanding about how the whole world works as a whole - the whole universe as one contiguous system for that matter. Maybe it's better in the sense of natural selection that the possessors of advanced technology attempt to maintain their selfish grips on those secrets. This nature could be an inherent cog in the workings of our world. If we want to unearth these secrets, expose the individuals who possess this technology, then maybe we should simply ask ourselves, "What can I do?" to reach these goals. After all, if it wasn't a dragon guarding the treasure, the "treasure" wouldn't be so coveted, now would it?

Now, let's consider if this situation actually exists in reality somewhere. Do we believe that individuals somewhere have access to advanced technology that the mainstream is unaware of? I think you'd have to be a fool to believe it would be otherwise. Now, is it in our best interests to go about trying to uncover this technology for the rest of the world to benefit from, or at the minimum, just proving that the blueprints indeed even exist? You have to consider what other members in this thread have already mentioned, the fact that our society in its development just is not ready for public acknowledgement of extraterrestrials present on this planet, or anything related, such as galactic politics and whatnot. Now it is getting there. The internet has made available to large groups of people roughly equal access to the collection of human knowledge, disseminating breaking knowledge virtually immediately as it is known and discovered. The idea of extraterrestrials is not as far-fetched and denounced as it once was in years past. We are getting there - but not there yet.

Governments are going to do everything in their power to divert attention from the fact that advanced technology not only exists, and not only may be operated by more intelligent and advanced beings visiting this planet, but that it itself possesses some of this technology, if not simply in the name of warfare security, i.e. concealing your most powerful weapons, artifacts, and capabilities. When an advanced flying saucer crashes to the ground and the public finds it, you're damn right an order is going to come from above to refresh the analysis and conclusion as one of our weather instruments. Things people don't know about scare them. Governments are comprised of humans just like you and I, and they are just as fearful about the unknown. They, like anyone else, don't want you to see their fear, but it's real. It's not easy openly admitting to your people that the skies are not under your full control. Not easy.

I don't know if UFO secrecy is for our own good or bad as much as UFO secrecy is directly related to human nature itself - the fact that there will be secrecy when it comes to possession of advanced technology, the kinds of which may be tens, hundreds, thousands, hell who knows, millions of years more advanced than our own. You can really argue either side of the issue in my mind on whether the secrecy is beneficial or detrimental, but either way, at this point in time, secrecy is the name of the game when it comes to the real truth of the matter, and it's just going to take time, development, and a copious amount of digging and prodding by adventurous, determined, and capable individuals for it to all come out from under the table. In the meantime, let's just try to learn to take care of each other better, so that we might not destroy ourselves and instead, develop into that mature, intelligent, sentient species which has readied itself and its collective consciousness as a whole for interstellar contact and relations.



posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 11:57 AM
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Originally posted by teslahowitzer
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we only really know what they want us to know and they understand all of the implications, and earth is most likely not their only contact, they have played this song before, maybe many, many times, we know very little if anything.


Does the potter not have authority over the clay to make ..." whatever the potter wants? (Romans 9:21), is the answer on behalf of God, when a human, which is the clay, answers back to God.



posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by ThinkingHuman

Originally posted by teslahowitzer
reply to post by FormerSkeptic
 

we only really know what they want us to know and they understand all of the implications, and earth is most likely not their only contact, they have played this song before, maybe many, many times, we know very little if anything.


answer on behalf of God, wDoes the potter not have authority over the clay to make ..." whatever the potter wants? (Romans 9:21), is the hen a human, which is the clay, answers back to God.



posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 01:49 PM
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Sorry bout the previous post, human error..... I remember that from "romans" and understand that is a 3 level format, God, the sculptor, and the clay, Three levels, does the clay have knowledge of God, does the clay understand the sculptor's goal? many questions, implications, and possibilities. My point is at different levels, we only know a fraction of a particle of the real truth, and may not understand that. From the bible, we understand how little we think we know by what means? make any sense? The middle man is who? how on target is his relayed message, did he understand it completely? sorry, we are just too low on the understanding of the whole thing, we have a long way to go...



posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 02:21 PM
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...This is not for us to decide.


You are answering a different question, other than the one that was asked. The OP is not seeking a philosophical argument about whether or not humanity SHOULD decide about UFO secrecy, but rather given only the fact that UFO Secrecy exists; is such awareness to our benefit or not.

I accept that the question was asked rhetorically, since we must assume, embedded within the inquiry, that such Secrecy is indeed extant. Thus, it is a simple yes/no-type question (i.e., to this OP/thread only - many peripheral discussions can, of course, be propagated -and deservedly so).

For humanity as a whole then, and to Earthlings as a group, I stand by my original response/opinion: UFO Secrecy is NOT good for a majority on this planet, in that such secrecy is detrimental to our collective enlightenment and evolution. Consequently, I must also believe then that there are a few, a very small minority, for whom such Secrecy IS for their own good. Why? Well, to borrow a few words from Jack Nicholson, "They can't handle the truth!"

But that's ok - we'll help bring those folks along with us in a way that makes them comfortable...
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posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 05:58 PM
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Once again, future human return is an egocentric viewpoint. It is a cop out for "Anything but aliens!"





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