Were Unicorns real animals? (Possibly Elasmotheriums), page


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Topic started on 5-1-2013 @ 02:07 PM by Frocharocha
My girlfriend love unicorns. So i got intersted and decided to search about unicorn sightings. I knew there would be some since those legendary creatures are very famous. Then i found an intersting topic. This made me think that Unicorn were real in sometime of human lifes. But are probably extinct by now but they still persist in memory;

In year 921 Ahmad ibn Fadlan went on the trip to King of Bulgars in the name of Baghdad caliph. When he turn home he said:


"Near this river (the Volga) is a vast wilderness wherein they say is an animal that is less than a camel and more like a bull in size. Its head is like the head of a camel, and its tail is like the tail of a bull, while its body is like the body of a mule, and its hooves are like the cloven hooves of a bull. In the center of its head, it has a thick round horn, which as it rises from the head of the animal gets to be thinner until it becomes like the point of a lance. The length of some of these horns is from three to five cubits, and there are those that may attain to a greater or lesser length. The animal grazes on the leaves of trees, which are quite green. When it sees a horseman, it makes straight for him, and if he happens to have under him a fast horse, he is rendered safe from it with some effort. If it overtakes him, it removes him from the back of his horse with its horn, hurls him into the air, and then catches him with its horn. It continues in this manner until it kills him. It does not bother the horse in any form or manner. They seek out this animal in the forests in order to kill it. They do that by climbing the tall trees among which it is found, and with this object in mind, they assemble a number of archers with poisoned arrows. When it stands in their midst, they shoot at it until it is severely wounded and killed by them."
"I saw in the king's house three large bowls which looked like [they were made of] the onyx of Yemen. The king informed me that it was made from the base of the horn of the animal. Some of the people of the country told me that it was a rhinoceros."



This sighting is way too old to be even considered real. But there is a particular animal the witness describe well. Elasmotherium sibiricum, or big-horned rhinoceros. This particular animal lived in China, Russia, Europe, Africa, Asia, Ukraine and other countrys. In short terms: The only places where unicorn myths originated.

Elasmotherium ("Thin Plate Beast") is an extinct genus of giant rhinoceros endemic to Eurasia during the Late Pliocene through the Pleistocene, documented from 2.6 Ma to as late as 50,000 years ago, possibly later, in the Late Pleistocene, an approximate span of slightly less than 2.6 million years. Three species are recognised. The best known, E. sibiricum was the size of a mammoth and is thought to have borne a large, thick horn on its forehead which was used for defense, attracting mates, driving away competitors, sweeping snow from the grass in winter and digging for water and plant roots. Like all rhinoceroses, elasmotheres were herbivorous. Unlike any others, its high-crowned molars were ever-growing. Its legs were longer than those of other rhinos and were designed for galloping, giving it a horse-like gait.


This animal was more like a horse than a rhino. In fact, the Great Alexender (or another person) stated that unicorns were extremely difficult to tame. Just like modern rhinoceros. And everybody knows: Those who tame rhinoceros like animals are badass.

The article in wikipedia says there were many sub species of Elasmotherium. Some of them probably white! The Eslamotheriuns Causasin was roughly 5 meters in lenght, weighted around 2600 lb (1200 kilograms) and was probably white in color. Pretty big compared to a horse. But descriptions changes with time. Like dragons...



This recustruction from 1920 is extremely similar to a horse:



So, what's the possibility that animals like Elasmotheriums lived recently but are now extinct due to the over hunting? Many animals like the Atlas Bear were extinct in Roman times also due to over hunting. Whomever like Mastodons, there are still sightings of Atlas Bears today.

Ahmad ibn Fadlan, a muslim traveled meet hunters who said to hunt unicorns for their horns. Those who were used t make long lived materials".


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Whomever i wasn't able to find any reports of modern sightings. Just like Minhocao (Amazon cryptid) so this leaves me to the conclusion that they are probably extinct.

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edit on 5-1-2013 by Frocharocha because: Gramar errors, other erros.


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reply posted on 5-1-2013 @ 02:24 PM by Chizzamp
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Unicorns only exist in movies and children's book, and if there are/were similar species that still doesn't make them unicorns.


reply posted on 5-1-2013 @ 02:26 PM by Frocharocha
Originally posted by Chizzamp
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Unicorns only exist in movies and children's book, and if there are/were similar species that still doesn't make them unicorns.


Species are know to evolve in a very small period of time. How, i don't know. Good example? Elephants and Mastodons.. Only some thousands years of diference.



reply posted on 5-1-2013 @ 02:28 PM by Unrealised
Originally posted by Frocharocha
Originally posted by Chizzamp
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Unicorns only exist in movies and children's book, and if there are/were similar species that still doesn't make them unicorns.


Species are know to evolve in a very small period of time. How, i don't know. Good example? Elephants and Mastodons.. Only some thousands years of diference.



Elephants and Mastodons are different breeds in the same species, I think.


reply posted on 5-1-2013 @ 02:33 PM by Frocharocha
Originally posted by Unrealised
Originally posted by Frocharocha
Originally posted by Chizzamp
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Unicorns only exist in movies and children's book, and if there are/were similar species that still doesn't make them unicorns.


Species are know to evolve in a very small period of time. How, i don't know. Good example? Elephants and Mastodons.. Only some thousands years of diference.



Elephants and Mastodons are different breeds in the same species, I think.


Yes they are indeed....


reply posted on 7-1-2013 @ 04:29 AM by Frocharocha



reply posted on 18-1-2013 @ 02:23 PM by jcutler12888
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I know a lot of people don't put any stock in the Bible but if you're looking for examples or accounts of unicorns, you'll find eight references to unicorns in the Bible: Deuteronomy 33:17, Job 39:9-10, Psalms 22:21, Psalms 29:6, Psalms 92:10, Numbers 23:22, Numbers 24:8, Isaiah 34:7.

Edit: I didn't post this to say that I do or do not believe in unicorns...I am neutral on the subject and I believe just about anything is possible. I only posted this because I am intrigued by the fact that unicorns are one of the few cryptids (dragons are included) mentioned in a holy book that billions of followers believe in wholeheartedly to this very day.
edit on 1/18/2013 by jcutler12888 because: Additional information

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