Originally posted by CatrionaBeldame
I'm catching up. I'm so happy to see that this topic has taken off the way it has. I hope it keeps going. I'm really interested in the birth certificate part of this. For those of you that have already done this part, it'd be really good if you could write out how to do it step by step, and have examples of the letter we should use. This is something I'd like to do, and I hope that others would do.

You mean, the birth certificate you think is "you" but is actually a corporation? lol Well, when you're done researching that...look up "Right to Travel". American citizens DON'T NEED A DRIVER'S LICENSE to operate an AUTOMOBILE, in the United States of America. But see, what people DON'T UNDERSTAND is that the DIVISION OF MOTOR VEHICLES is a trap. People waive their RIGHT TO TRAVEL, when they get a D.L. It's ALL in the WORDING. Your driver's license means you agree to all their laws when operating your "motor vehicle"...when actually, what you drive, is an AUTOMOBILE.

Originally posted by miniatus

Laws mean nothing if they aren't enforced... victim-less or not .. we live in a society and we agree to rules..

Show me where I agreed to the rules of (insert name of Society here). I dare you!

No wait, I've got an even better one. NAME your "society"! Go ahead! There is a maxim at law that states, "If a thing's name is not known, all knowledge of it will perish".

You see, I don't mind agreeing to a transparent contract when I have full disclosure. But where and when did I agree to go to jail if I use an herbal medicine that the petrochemical/textile/pharmaceutical industries got to be "illegal"? I didn't! Ever!

Your argument seems to relate to "some evils are necessary". I call B.S. on that. It's much more like "some evils are profitable".

even if not all of us agree with them.. if you continually violate them by speeding because you want to, drinking and driving because you don't care, refusing to pay tickets because you feel you're better than everyone else..

Whoa, whoa whoa... So, in a city that gouges its people for upwards of 5 dollars an hour for parking, you think that someone who refuses to pay does so simply because they think they are "better than everyone else"? Really? is that what you honestly think? when was the last time you felt nothing but lint in your pocket?

well many of those result in simple fines.. but if you keep on keepin' on .. you deserve some jail time ..

Show me the contract! Civilization means civil, and civil means contractual. Come on, big boy with your fangs... I dare you! Show me the contract! Bah... I know you won't, because you can't, because the only contracts currently in force against normal every day people are ADHESION contracts. Learn what that means.

Society rules...

Uhh, which society?

if you don't like them.. buy yourself an island and make your own, that's my feeling on the matter..

That's what is known in law as a Tort. It's a crime against me to claim me as your slave/participant in your nameless, nebulous "society", if it is against my will. Just because I was born here and your nameless society has almost everyone else bamboozled, does not make it any less a crime.

if enough of us don't like them then we should rally and change society .. that's how it works.

Says... you?

Originally posted by BlowinSmoke
[...]But see, what people DON'T UNDERSTAND is that the DIVISION OF MOTOR VEHICLES is a trap. People waive their RIGHT TO TRAVEL, when they get a D.L.

Not if you write through your signature/autograph "All Rights Reserved/Without Prejudice"

It's ALL in the WORDING. Your driver's license means you agree to all their laws when operating your "motor vehicle"...when actually, what you drive, is an AUTOMOBILE.

Technically you're right, but I go through the motions under color of compliance, to avoid unnecessary complications caused by ignorant (trained to be ignorant) code-enforcement officers.

Another troubeling point if you paid for anything with federal reserve notes you don't own it - the federal reserve does.

the OP was very confusing to me, I wasnt sure what it was about.
My understanding of the OP is very very old news, stuff we knew for 90 or so years since the FED was created.

But could someone please summarize the OP in a few sentances?

I think the information presented here is not for simple minds, still trying to figure out.

So if I read it correctly, if you are not dependent on the said Corp, you can't dependent them to provide you the basic amenities like running water, electricity etc, right? (live off grid). It is like living in an island, cut off from society?

Isn't the tax money pay towards entire infrastructure?

Marbury vs Madison, Pretty much invalidates most of the so-called LAWS out there.

Marbury v. Madison: Supreme Court established its authority 2 review & invalidate government actions that conflict w/Constitution

So it basicaly makes common law the norm if one knows how to present it.

Definitely a step in the right direction, but let me ask all of you a serious question....

So it would appear that we are all owed $5,000,000,000 worth of silver and gold, and that all forms of currency are illegal (personally, I love the concept), but tell me this...

If we were all billionaires, just what is that you have, that you think you would be willing to trade for a piece of gold or silver?

IF YOU HAD $5,000,000,000???

What should you do, when/if this goes through???
Not, what would you buy. But, who would you be?
Should you be more inclined too help a neighbor or friend in need???
Would you still listen too the same music, watch the same shows???
should we get this money, would you spend more time with your family/kids?
Would you still drink, smoke, "party"?

Who would you become? What is your passion in life???
What do you truly love doing? Would you chase after your passions with
An open thirst for knowledge, and a desire to perfect what you love to do???

So, what would you do with $5,000,000,000???