Does Hugo Chavez have it right

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posted on Jan, 4 2013 @ 09:49 AM
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Does Hugo Chagez have it right by turning the countries natural resources to the benefit of the country, rather than allow to make the proceeds avaiable to mostly foreign investors whom can afford them? Is he good for the country, or is he merely less bad than other leaders with a socialist worldview and the people whom experienced a betterment of their situation under Hugo would be even better off without him, or not have been in a bad spot to begin with?




posted on Jan, 4 2013 @ 09:57 AM
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Chavez should share the wealth with the people. It is their land and why should the wealth of the people go towards the wallets of a board of directors or foreign investors?

It is socialism but that is not bad in and of itself. In fact, Alaska does the same thing.



posted on Jan, 4 2013 @ 10:26 AM
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Originally posted by Merinda
Does Hugo Chagez have it right by turning the countries natural resources to the benefit of the country, rather than allow to make the proceeds avaiable to mostly foreign investors whom can afford them? Is he good for the country, or is he merely less bad than other leaders with a socialist worldview and the people whom experienced a betterment of their situation under Hugo would be even better off without him, or not have been in a bad spot to begin with?


Well Venezuelan oil is nationalized.

en.wikipedia.org...

So the people own the production and not a corporation.
Chavez is a politician/dictator and isn't there for the good of the poeple.



posted on Jan, 4 2013 @ 10:36 AM
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Not going to lie I hate socialism but have pondered this idea for some time. If the gov wouldnt blow all the wealth and use to it pay down debt or just use it wisely I would consder it.



posted on Jan, 4 2013 @ 10:41 AM
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This discussion is mute. Once they start taxing Co2 emissions, all those fossil fuels will be virtually worthless. And don't for a moment doubt that this is impacting investment RIGHT NOW. There's a lot of fearmongering out there about climate change and government is starting to hear it. The sustainable movement is growing. Our kids are growing up in schools that teach them that humans caused global warming. This will come to a crescendo that will crush fossil fuel business.

Fossil fuels will always have uses, but their days of ruling the world are closing. If I was in the fossil fuel business, I'd start figuring out how to make fossil fuels greener and thus stay in business. This will of course, in time, open up more room for alternatives to fossil fuels. This is because making fossil fuels greener has a cost and this cost makes alternatives more appealing.

Not to mention that Chavez controls the media and much of the government. Thus, the people, even though they "own" these resources, are still subservient to him and his cronies.

I really wouldn't want to live there. Pathetic squalor. Government bloat. Bleh.

Never trade too much freedom for security. That's the mess that Venezuela is in. It's a socialist experiment from the old world. Revolution will eventually collapse the country. This is because countries that use these outdated rulesystems cannot adapt to freedom-loving people.
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posted on Jan, 4 2013 @ 11:20 AM
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You really think he's "sharing" the money with the average Venezuelans? The reality is like every demagouge he hands out pittances to his supporters in high profile displays of "redistribution" while he enriches himself and his iner circle.





posted on Jan, 4 2013 @ 11:26 AM
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He is standing up to Mercantilism but at the same time he is not honoring previous contracts. It is a moot point tho as I understand that he has been telling people that he "is about to check out."



posted on Jan, 4 2013 @ 01:17 PM
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You do Benefit from oil.
How do products end up in your possession?
Did the democrats donkey deliver them to the local store?

If government nationalized oil the price would be triple.
And so would those products.



posted on Jan, 4 2013 @ 01:21 PM
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Originally posted by Merinda
Does Hugo Chagez have it right by turning the countries natural resources to the benefit of the country, rather than allow to make the proceeds avaiable to mostly foreign investors whom can afford them? Is he good for the country, or is he merely less bad than other leaders with a socialist worldview and the people whom experienced a betterment of their situation under Hugo would be even better off without him, or not have been in a bad spot to begin with?


What evidence do you have that he's using the natural resources to benefit the country? How do you define "country?"



posted on Jan, 4 2013 @ 02:16 PM
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If reports are to be believed pretty soon he's going to "get it right" one last time... Every dictator should follow his lead.



posted on Jan, 4 2013 @ 02:19 PM
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Originally posted by bjax9er
You do Benefit from oil.
How do products end up in your possession?
Did the democrats donkey deliver them to the local store?

If government nationalized oil the price would be triple.
And so would those products.


That's not entirely true.

For example, Venezuela itself is among the top 10 places for cheap gas. That's because the oil is nationalized and does not have to go through international oil markets and governing bodies, like OPEC, before it hits market and since the people own the oil.....they get better prices.

It's all about how it is managed and Venezuela does a good job.



posted on Jan, 4 2013 @ 02:58 PM
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Originally posted by sheepslayer247

That's not entirely true.

For example, Venezuela itself is among the top 10 places for cheap gas. That's because the oil is nationalized and does not have to go through international oil markets and governing bodies, like OPEC, before it hits market and since the people own the oil.....they get better prices.

It's all about how it is managed and Venezuela does a good job.



And Chavez wants to stay in power by giving people cheap gas.
It's all politics.



posted on Jan, 4 2013 @ 08:15 PM
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You can dislike Hugo Chavez because he does not play by the rules of the 1% but the poorest people have gotten help by the programs existing and a cia/corporate puppet would not help the poor at all since they are as always only interested in parasitizing as much as possible.





Deny ignorance is the motto on this page. Seems a lot of people are caught up in the propaganda and cannot see thru it.
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posted on Jan, 4 2013 @ 09:24 PM
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And Chavez wants to stay in power by giving people cheap gas. It's all politics.


Possibly, but I could only wish to live in a place where the politicians share the wealth created by the nations national resources and supplies that resource at an astronomically cheap price.....all for political ends.

If that is how they play politics, it's pretty nice.



posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 04:44 AM
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Originally posted by sconner755

Originally posted by Merinda
Does Hugo Chagez have it right by turning the countries natural resources to the benefit of the country, rather than allow to make the proceeds avaiable to mostly foreign investors whom can afford them? Is he good for the country, or is he merely less bad than other leaders with a socialist worldview and the people whom experienced a betterment of their situation under Hugo would be even better off without him, or not have been in a bad spot to begin with?


What evidence do you have that he's using the natural resources to benefit the country? How do you define "country?"


Well under him the standard of living in Bolivia improved considerable. Now the question is, would Bolivia be even better off without the system in place right now and Chavez?



posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 10:08 AM
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based on the points you make OP I think Chavez has a great idea. Now if only the rest of the nations would follow



posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 10:19 AM
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I like oil and use it but I don't have the skills to pull it out of the ground, nor do I have the wallet to afford high oil prices if left to one corporation or one government.

I also like water from a glacier, but by no means do I have the skills or resources/desire to get my weekly case of glacier bottled water from an actual glacier 2000+ miles away from my home.. So I choose to pay for convenience and thats what business is all about.

And its affordable because of the *many* businesses that offer glacier tapping/transportation/logistics products/services.

I totally agree with you bud...



posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 10:22 AM
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Originally posted by Merinda
Does Hugo Chagez have it right by turning the countries natural resources to the benefit of the country, rather than allow to make the proceeds avaiable to mostly foreign investors whom can afford them? Is he good for the country, or is he merely less bad than other leaders with a socialist worldview and the people whom experienced a betterment of their situation under Hugo would be even better off without him, or not have been in a bad spot to begin with?

You'd have to show me in some quantifiable way how ANYTHING Chavez did TO ...not FOR..his people actually benefited them. He took a nation with problems and made it worse by insuring outside capital and investment wouldn't come within 100 miles of his borders on a bet. That's not the way to bring prosperity and good fortune unless you're a nation with more than enough domestic ability to do everything the outside world had done ..and more! In his case? Well.... Looking at little things like quality of life and per capita income of the average citizen he ruled, I'm going to bet they aren't exactly feeling like they live in Utopia.



posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 11:56 AM
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Dont tell me he is doing a great job while I have friends there starving ok? I left that place 3 months ago and came back to europe because the prices of food are on the sky. What is cheap gas prices good for if you cant buy the food for your kids?






posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 05:24 PM
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ok that didn't work




www.zealllc.com...


This one was for electricity in California, but just substitute oil or any other commodity
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