Hackers leak video of Steubenville, Ohio Rape case.

Originally posted by TiredofControlFreaks
reply to post by MagesticEsoteric

 

I notice on this thread that a great many people are going just a little too far in their response to this incident.

I just want to post a few thoughts that I hope will cause people to think a little.

1. This incident has not had its day in court yet. There has been an alleged rape. Two people have been charged. We have seen one side of the story but not the other. We should all withhold judgement until the trial is finished.

2. This incident is shocking because of the large number of witnesses that must have seen what was happening but failed to assist in the investigation (along with failing to take action to protect the victim).

3. The Micheal Nodianos video is straight up evidence of his crime (we know that, at the end of the day, he watched an unconcious girl being anally raped. This is a crime in itself). We are also shocked...really shocked at his caleous disregard and lack of empathy.

4. We are also shocked that many witnesses, who failed to speak to investigators, had no difficulty in victimizing the girl further through social media and what appears to be a cover-up by the justice system and the involvement of school administrators and coaches (indecent pictures of student's in the girls washroom on his computer).

All of this is horrible (I don't doubt that the video is real because it is mentioned in September newspaper reports but is listed as "unavailable").

Here is what is equally horrible. Some of you have wished for the men involved to be sent to prison and raped.

How can you be so shocked that one person was victimized and then turn around and wish for three others to be raped? Is prison and lives ruined insufficient justice?

I would not say people are going too far. I don't think people actually want to participate and/or be witness to the accused being made prison wives either. What you have to realize is yes, many people are outraged and shocked at the events by the accused and the community and will say things that are barbaric but things said in such a way are understandable even if not politically correct. Some people do believe in an "eye for an eye" kind of justice, and if it was my daughter this happened to I can't say I would blame them. Just my $0.02

Originally posted by TiredofControlFreaks
reply to post by MagesticEsoteric

 

I notice on this thread that a great many people are going just a little too far in their response to this incident.

I just want to post a few thoughts that I hope will cause people to think a little.

1. This incident has not had its day in court yet. There has been an alleged rape. Two people have been charged. We have seen one side of the story but not the other. We should all withhold judgement until the trial is finished.

2. This incident is shocking because of the large number of witnesses that must have seen what was happening but failed to assist in the investigation (along with failing to take action to protect the victim).

3. The Micheal Nodianos video is straight up evidence of his crime (we know that, at the end of the day, he watched an unconcious girl being anally raped. This is a crime in itself). We are also shocked...really shocked at his caleous disregard and lack of empathy.

4. We are also shocked that many witnesses, who failed to speak to investigators, had no difficulty in victimizing the girl further through social media and what appears to be a cover-up by the justice system and the involvement of school administrators and coaches (indecent pictures of student's in the girls washroom on his computer).

All of this is horrible (I don't doubt that the video is real because it is mentioned in September newspaper reports but is listed as "unavailable").

Here is what is equally horrible. Some of you have wished for the men involved to be sent to prison and raped.

How can you be so shocked that one person was victimized and then turn around and wish for three others to be raped? Is prison and lives ruined insufficient justice?

I share your sentiments, I really do and if you go through my posts, I've never once wished violence towards these boys.

I know better than that because we are all innocent until proven guilty.

I think what makes this case different is that they pretty much provided all the evidence on their own because they are naive, protected to a degree and just plain ignorant on a humane level.

Not only that, the entire establishment of that town is blatantly covering this incident up to the best of their ability to spare the athletic reputation and that of the town.

Regarless, you are right. We cannot condemn until the truth has comes to the surface.

I just hope it does so that the ones in the wrong get punished accordingly.

Before everyone gets really overboard on this thread.....here are a few facts that are also interesting.

1. There was a party on August 12, 2012 attended by a fair number of teenagers (at least 50).

2. There was booze and most like drugs at the party.

3. The victim attended the party with a male escort. (not her former boyfriend)

4. The girl was drinking, like everyone else.

5. The girl arrived at her parents house in the morning (sorry folks but if my 16 year stayed out all night, I would be freaking. Where are the parents on this?)

NOW let me state strongly that I don't believe that this girl has done anything really wrong. She is doing what teenagers do. Nobody should state that just because a girl gets drunk at a party, she is asking for it. This would be no different than if a boy got drunk and was then anally raped and photographed.

6. The girl was obviously in poor condition, slurring her words and swaying etc. The girl said nothing of sexual assault at that time (probably because she doesn't remember). She goes to bed, recovers, showers etc.

7. The next day the pictures start circulating and the girl (who probably doesn't remember a thing) becomes aware that she was raped and various other disgusting things were done to her. She reports the matter to her parents. A couple of days later, a complaint is filed with the police.

8. The police are unable to test for rape because she showered etc. They claim that they can't do a toxicity test for drugs because of the time passed.

www.bu.edu...

Here is information about rohypnot showing that toxicity testing can be done within 60 hours. That is three days. The police were informed of the rape on August 14 - that is only two days after the alleged rape occurred

www.cnn.com...

9. A witness comes forward and states that he photographed her being digitally raped by Mal'ik Richmond in a car but claims to have deleted the photos.

10. The police state that there is a 12 minute video that purports to speak of the rape but they are unable to find it.

Mal'ik and Trenton alone are charged.

Well, I guess that they have the video now!

Tired of Control freaks

To all

I am not surprised or shocked that some would wish violence on the accused or on Micheal Nodiamos. Its a natural human reaction and I certainly don't judge anyone for it.

I posted this to try and bring this discussion to some kind of rational level. Really, posting a wish for violence is not really helpful and really detracts from the quality of the thread.



Tired of Control Freaks

Originally posted by TiredofControlFreaks
Before everyone gets really overboard on this thread.....here are a few facts that are also interesting.

1. There was a party on August 12, 2012 attended by a fair number of teenagers (at least 50).

2. There was booze and most like drugs at the party.

3. The victim attended the party with a male escort. (not her former boyfriend)

4. The girl was drinking, like everyone else.

5. The girl arrived at her parents house in the morning (sorry folks but if my 16 year stayed out all night, I would be freaking. Where are the parents on this?)

NOW let me state strongly that I don't believe that this girl has done anything really wrong. She is doing what teenagers do. Nobody should state that just because a girl gets drunk at a party, she is asking for it. This would be no different than if a boy got drunk and was then anally raped and photographed.

6. The girl was obviously in poor condition, slurring her words and swaying etc. The girl said nothing of sexual assault at that time (probably because she doesn't remember). She goes to bed, recovers, showers etc.

7. The next day the pictures start circulating and the girl (who probably doesn't remember a thing) becomes aware that she was raped and various other disgusting things were done to her. She reports the matter to her parents. A couple of days later, a complaint is filed with the police.

8. The police are unable to test for rape because she showered etc. They claim that they can't do a toxicity test for drugs because of the time passed.

www.bu.edu...

Here is information about rohypnot showing that toxicity testing can be done within 60 hours. That is three days. The police were informed of the rape on August 14 - that is only two days after the alleged rape occurred

www.cnn.com...

9. A witness comes forward and states that he photographed her being digitally raped by Mal'ik Richmond in a car but claims to have deleted the photos.

10. The police state that there is a 12 minute video that purports to speak of the rape but they are unable to find it.

Mal'ik and Trenton alone are charged.

Well, I guess that they have the video now!

Tired of Control freaks

Just to add a point to this thread. Its seems the cameras that Anonymous alledges were confiscated by the sherriff's department and evidence was "inadvertently deleted" were sent to forensic experts.

I have reason to know that deleted photographs are not really deleted from a camera's memory. In fact, the picture is still in the memory and what is deleted is the link to the place in the memory where the photograph was stored.

Forensic experts should be able to recover those photographs and present them to the courts in February.

This will be an interesting case to watch.

Tired of Control Freaks

Originally posted by TiredofControlFreaks
To all

I am not surprised or shocked that some would wish violence on the accused or on Micheal Nodiamos. Its a natural human reaction and I certainly don't judge anyone for it.

I posted this to try and bring this discussion to some kind of rational level. Really, posting a wish for violence is not really helpful and really detracts from the quality of the thread.



Tired of Control Freaks

Well then.....Good Job!

I think this thread is moving along pretty well and, you just brought in a bunch more info to be digested.

reply to post by MagesticEsoteric


I do have to correct something though. Apparently, the girl told her parents she was going to spend the night at a friend's house.

I retract my question about the parents. They are just a little naive and trusted their daughter.

I laugh now in memory of all the times my youngest tried the same crap on me. I must of caught her out at least 8 times before she stopped trying.

Tired of Control Freaks

reply to post by TiredofControlFreaks


Have you come across any information that links a volunteer coach to the first party that the victim attended?

reply to post by Aquarius2150


God these hackers are idiots.. I wish they would pull their head out of their asses and learn how the law works before going on a crusade that could very well ensure the accused go free, guilty or not.

They must learn people are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law - NOT a court of public opinion.
They must learn what evidence tampering is.
They must learn how the release of that video can affect a jury pool.
They must learn that if the jury pool is affected, the chances of a fair trial go down the drain, allowing for appeals, which in turn will drag this out for years.
They must learn that the longer a trial goes on, including appeals because of the hackers actions, means those affected, including the victim, will be placed into a position of reliving this nightmare over and over and over, as they will be required to testify,

If these groups wish to bring attention to corruption I am all for it.. However, they need to fix their rectal-cranial inversion, learn how the damn law works while understanding their actions can not only sink this case, but ensure the victim receives no justice.

Please, learn and understand the effect your actions have before taking up a crusade...

As they say, the path to hell is paved with good intentions.

reply to post by Xcathdra


Well, thanks for that.
From your Bible quote, I'm guessing that the administrators and such who were trying to protect these perps are certainly going to be going to Hell because they were only acting with good intentions in order to keep the football team from getting soiled.

Originally posted by TiredofControlFreaks
To all

I am not surprised or shocked that some would wish violence on the accused or on Micheal Nodiamos. Its a natural human reaction and I certainly don't judge anyone for it.

I posted this to try and bring this discussion to some kind of rational level. Really, posting a wish for violence is not really helpful and really detracts from the quality of the thread.



Tired of Control Freaks

Understandable, just saying that I understand the want and need for revenge and a fulfillment of vengeance, and to some extent given the nature and circumstances of what happened feel the same desire. If evidence is found on said inadvertanly erased pictures on said camera I say the police involved should be inadvertantly served with an obstruction of justice charge.

reply to post by Darkphoenix77


Now this is interesting....

A commentator just reported that one of the rape sites was a room in the home of Jane Hanlon, the inital prosecuting attorney and that it was her natural son who was filming the Micheal Nadiamos video!!!!

WOW - this is getting explosive!!!!! I wonder if it is true?

Tired of Control Freaks.

reply to post by Xcathdra


The reason they released the video is because the courts and prosecutors clearly weren't interested in pursuing the Rape Crew. So then nobody should ever learn of these crimes? This scumwads name is everywhere, hopefully some ladies will be spared rape in the future simply by virtue of knowing this creeps name and face.

Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by Aquarius2150

 

God these hackers are idiots.. I wish they would pull their head out of their asses and learn how the law works before going on a crusade that could very well ensure the accused go free, guilty or not.

They must learn people are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law - NOT a court of public opinion.
They must learn what evidence tampering is.
They must learn how the release of that video can affect a jury pool.
They must learn that if the jury pool is affected, the chances of a fair trial go down the drain, allowing for appeals, which in turn will drag this out for years.
They must learn that the longer a trial goes on, including appeals because of the hackers actions, means those affected, including the victim, will be placed into a position of reliving this nightmare over and over and over, as they will be required to testify,

If these groups wish to bring attention to corruption I am all for it.. However, they need to fix their rectal-cranial inversion, learn how the damn law works while understanding their actions can not only sink this case, but ensure the victim receives no justice.

Please, learn and understand the effect your actions have before taking up a crusade...

As they say, the path to hell is paved with good intentions.

edit on 4-1-2013 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)

I hope that their actions do NOT effect the outcome of this case.

That being said....lack of action is just as bad.

This case has most people dumbfounded as to why someone didn't do something to stop it! Why didn't anyone say anything the next day?

Why didn't MORE people come forward after charges were filed.

Why are more people not coming forward now?

Originally posted by TiredofControlFreaks
reply to post by Darkphoenix77

 

Now this is interesting....

A commentator just reported that one of the rape sites was a room in the home of Jane Hanlon, the inital prosecuting attorney and that it was her natural son who was filming the Micheal Nadiamos video!!!!

WOW - this is getting explosive!!!!! I wonder if it is true?

Tired of Control Freaks.

If it is true that would be a great reason for her to want to "convince" the victim by any means necessary to drop the case would it not?

Originally posted by jasonl1983
reply to post by Xcathdra

 

The reason they released the video is because the courts and prosecutors clearly weren't interested in pursuing the Rape Crew. So then nobody should ever learn of these crimes? This scumwads name is everywhere, hopefully some ladies will be spared rape in the future simply by virtue of knowing this creeps name and face.

Plus, the public needed to see the video to understand why these guys should be prosecuted as adults and not juveniles.

The way sports teams and players have this special shield that protects them from the law blows my mind. In all honesty, it blows my mind that the people most protected from the law are the ones that contribute least to a better society.
A man steals a loaf of bread to feed his family - life sentence.
A respected teacher struck by a student strikes the student back - right to teach removed, fine and prison sentence.
A known crime lord murders someone - ignored.
A sports personality drugs and rapes a girl - slight pay loss and suspended for a game or two.
A high up banker steals millions from investors - slap on the wrist.
Something here is obviously very wrong.

reply to post by Xcathdra


I also believe that they have a file that contains images, of the victims. I thought that itself was a crime, if they are underage?





So....

Does that mean ANYONE that downloaded those files, or images are complacent in said crime?

Originally posted by TiredofControlFreaks
reply to post by Darkphoenix77

 

Now this is interesting....

A commentator just reported that one of the rape sites was a room in the home of Jane Hanlon, the inital prosecuting attorney and that it was her natural son who was filming the Micheal Nadiamos video!!!!

WOW - this is getting explosive!!!!! I wonder if it is true?

Tired of Control Freaks.

So, she isn't the prosecuting attorney anymore?

I knew her son was a part of the "rape crew" but, I didn't know it happened at her home.

Who took over for the prosecution?

I hope that their actions do NOT effect the outcome of this case.

That being said....lack of action is just as bad.

This case has most people dumbfounded as to why someone didn't do something to stop it! Why didn't anyone say anything the next day?

Why didn't MORE people come forward after charges were filed.

Why are more people not coming forward now?

Heh both you and me hope that them blowing the case wide open has no negative consequences. All being said however, I am glad they did. The accused not having a completely impartial trial (partially due to thier own arrogance and feeling of being untouchable) is far better than the whole thing being swept under the rug and never seeing the light of day. Who is to say that if that happened that the victim would not eventually commit suicide, and to my thinking that is by far a worse crime then the notion that they may not be able to get 12 people that have heard nothing of the case or situation surrounding it. Even if that does make me seem somewhat of a supporter of vigilante justice.