reply to post by ThinkingHuman
So its okay for the invaders to take the Palestinians' land. It is their problem if they are obsessive about it. They must be killed for their
Did I say that it was okay to take the Palestinian's land? Did I say it was okay to kill them just because
of their hatred? No, I did not.
Moral compass? You keep on astounding me.
You spend a great deal of time condemning me for things you only think I said. You still cannot understand how moral judgement is a question of
intent, not numbers. Let me give you asome examples that might shed light on other issues.
In response to the last intifada,
the Israelis bulldozed Palestinian homes and businesses to the ground, ostensibly to clear out potential
terrorist nests and munitions works. This pretense is so thin as to be transparent. They could have conducted house to house searches as the British
did in Ireland. Instead, they simply destroyed the Palestinians'quality of life. There is no doubt they did this to inflict economic suffering on the
Palestinians, irrespective of whether a given individual supported Hamas or not. It was clearly intended as an act of economic terrorism, to destroy
Palestinian morale and erode confidence in Hamas. It does not matter if they bulldozed a thousand homes, a dozen homes or even just one. It was
criminal because of its intent,
not the number of victims. What's more, to paraphrase Bismark, it was worse than a crime, it was a
Then there is the long standing blockade on goods. This is ostensibly to cut off the flow of arms into Gaza. This has resulted in Palestinians being
deprived of even some of the simplest consumer goods, yet it was somehow unable to prevent Hamas from smuggling short range ballistic missiles into
the territory. The policy is an utter failure at meeting its stated goals, and should be reversed. The fact that the current right wing government
does not lift it suggests that the intent is also to cause material suffering. I consider this intent immoral.
Does this make me an "Anti Zionist?" Absolutely not, any more than my supporting the legitimacy of the state of Israel makes me a Zionist. The
policies I find so reprehensible on Israel's part are not the master plan of some inhuman "Zionists" cooked up secretly in a dark room. They are the
openly debated policies of a duly elected parliamentary government. Individuals to the center and left can freely protest against them in the media or
street without fear of reprisal.
On the other hand, the decisions of Hamas are not made publicly; indeed the identities of those who implement these policies are not generally known.
They persist in killing Israeli civilians, knowing that innocent Palestinians will die when the Israelis return fire in self defense. The Palestinians
are being held hostage as human shields. I find this behavior detestable.
When the Israelis finally realize that the Likkud government's policies are not merely a failure, but are making the situation worse, they can
peacefully remove the party from power. When Hamas lost an election, they pulled out of the West Bank and turned Gaza into a killing zone. Now, are
you beginning to understand the calculus of morality?
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