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Topic started on 3-1-2013 @ 04:51 PM by twinmommy38
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I cannot wrap my head around how it is possible to get atoms to go slower than stopped.

If there is a state lower than the lowest level for an electron, then it wasn't the lowest state right?


reply posted on 3-1-2013 @ 05:07 PM by topherman420
Originally posted by twinmommy38
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I cannot wrap my head around how it is possible to get atoms to go slower than stopped.

If there is a state lower than the lowest level for an electron, then it wasn't the lowest state right?


Mind. Blown.

The part that I found exciting is how the state of this negative temperature could get energy from colder substances as well as hotter ones. My brain really hurts after that read but I understand the implications I think. Awesome find!



reply posted on 3-1-2013 @ 05:14 PM by twinmommy38
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My brain hurts as well

If I understood it right then reversing entropy is possible with the right mechanical set-up.

Something that should be impossible with the current laws of physics.


reply posted on 3-1-2013 @ 06:41 PM by aboveGoos
Perhaps equally interesting - is the claim from the article found at nature.com - which states such cold clouds of atoms could defy gravity, in clouds of normal atoms.


For instance, Rosch and his colleagues have calculated that whereas clouds of atoms would normally be pulled downwards by gravity, if part of the cloud is at a negative absolute temperature, some atoms will move upwards, apparently defying gravity4.


I for one love the pace with which science is advancing right now!
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reply posted on 3-1-2013 @ 06:52 PM by Stunspot
Originally posted by twinmommy38
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I cannot wrap my head around how it is possible to get atoms to go slower than stopped.

If there is a state lower than the lowest level for an electron, then it wasn't the lowest state right?


You'd be well served by actually reading the article you linked to. They explain quite clearly what they did and how they did it and it has absolutely nothing to do with going "slower than stopped". They didn't reduce the temperature of the atoms to negative levels, they reduced the temperature of the _GAS_; that is, of the aggregate state of the atoms' arrangements. There's more to temperature than just the kinetic energy of the atoms as the article explained. At great length. For several paragraphs.

Yes, it's a fascinating new state of matter and may let us do/understand a lot of new things -- but it's not like the laws of thermodynamics have changed or anything like that.


reply posted on 3-1-2013 @ 07:24 PM by twinmommy38
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Quotes from the article:

"An object's temperature is a measure of how much its atoms move — the colder an object is, the slower the atoms are.

When temperatures go either below zero or above infinity on the positive region of this scale, they end up in negative territory.

The inverted Boltzmann distribution is the hallmark of negative absolute temperature, and this is what we have achieved,"


The atoms had to go slower than stopped (below absolute), or be heated above infinity to achieve this. I did read the article and could not fully comprehend it.

You obviously fully understand this subject.

Perhaps you could explain it easier?


reply posted on 3-1-2013 @ 08:35 PM by Aleister
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Below absolute zero, this is a realm where new whole fields of technology will build upon each other with each advance and each successful experiment. It will be interesting when someone comes to this thread who either understands this data very well or actually worked on the project. Nice thread, thanks.


reply posted on 4-1-2013 @ 04:35 AM by Aleister
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I'm giving this a bump because of the potential implications and the envelope-stretching reality of the topic.
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