Originally posted by Wertdagf
reply to post by daaskapital
Those sources make me cringe....
I dont see whats so great about this forged peice of trash. Why even pay attention to myths like these... i mean unless your major is darkage fiction.
Originally posted by Advantage
Great thread OP... this stuff has always been a curiosity to me!
There may be a spear of destiny, but I have NO idea why a spear tip .. or a whole one for that matter..would be a relic of power any more than a cup. Im not bashing here, but there is a magical thinking issue that keeps up the fakeries and fraudulent relics and holy items. A bone of a saint, a tooth of baby jesus.. why would any of these things be magical or hold power?? IMO they wouldnt. Hitler was wild about power objects but found a bunch of fakes.... Its just all so strange.
Anyway, just to add to the mystery... and not as a previous poster stated that it is to deliberately point away from a real object with some sort of power.. its a matter of great commerce and keeping a simple populace interested in buying a chunk of it or a piece of cloth that touched it.. depending on what degree of relic whatever church is peddling.. and a nice reliquary to house it in. I collect many thing, one being relics in reliquaries. The idea that a piece of a napkin that touched the body of a dead saint ( some even were NOT saints.. which is another fraud altogether) is pretty curious to me. My personal favorite is a bone.. supposed to be a finger bone.. of St Benedict. Looks very much like a cat foreleg bone frag.. But it has a COA.. go figure.
There seems to have been enough milk of the Virgin -- some of it was still exhibited in Spanish churches in the nineteenth century -- preserved in Europe to feed a few calves.
There was hair enough to make a mattress.
There were sufficient pieces of "the true cross" to make a boat [as Protestant reformer Calvin had remarked].
There were teeth of Christ enough to outfit a dentist (one monastery, at Charroux, had the complete set.)
There were so many sets of baby-linen of the infant Jesus, in Italy, France and Spain, that one could have opened a shop with them.
One of the greatest churches in Rome had Christ's manger-cradle.
Seven churches had his authentic umbilical cord,
and a number of churches had his foreskin (removed at circumcision and kept as a souvenir by Mary).
One church had the miraculous imprint of his little bottom on a stone on which he had sat.
Mary herself had left enough wedding rings, shoes, stockings, shirts, girdles, etc., to fill a museum.
You can, if you are good, see one of her shifts still in Chartres cathedral; though in this coarser age of ours it is called a "veil."
One church had Aaron's rod.
Six churches had the six heads cut off John the Baptist ...
Fragments of 'the true cross', pieces of saints' bodies, still-wet tears shed by Jesus, barbs from the Crown of Thorns,
Mary's undergarments - such were treasured in jewelled cases in every major church.
A ruler of Saxony proudly possessed 17,000 relics, including a branch from Moses' burning bush and a feather from the wings of the Angel Gabriel.
Canterbury Cathedral displayed part of the clay left over after God fashioned Adam.
Historian Charles Mackay said Spanish churches had six or seven thighbones of the Virgin Mary, and others had enough of St Peter's toenails to fill a sack.
Voltaire noted that six sacred foreskins were snipped from Jesus at his circumcision; later researchers counted fifteen
Im not talking about just fakes.. Im talking about fakes condoned and passed off as real by the church..
I particularly love the peacock feather passed off by the church as a feather from the wing of Gabriel.
Pope benedict doesnt care much if they are fakes or not..
However something being fake is real important .. sometimes.
The list just goes on and on. Its fascinating really.