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Is reincarnation real, how can you know?

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posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 08:50 PM
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My whole life I'be felt old, older than my peers, older than my elders. I'm not religious, I walked away from religion years ago, I don't believe in Hindu, yet reincarnation is about the closest I can come to explaining things in my life that I can't bring myself to understand. My whole life has been a never ending battle, I feel like I've been around for too long without rest. It feels as if I lived one life and died, but instead of getting a chance to rest I was thrown right into another body. Like as if I've been forced to lived two or more consecutive lifetimes. One thing that might be considered odd, as it confused my parents, is I was born giving the world the finger. When I came out my dad said I came out flipping the bird right at the doc. I asked him why he thought it was weird being as many babies have a finger sticking out or something, but he said it was a perfect bird, unmistakable every finger was folded just so even my thumb, he said the doc was caught off guard, like as if I was angry. Another odd thing is my parents said I was a good baby, I barely cried, I was quiet. As a child I was oddly mature in many ways, I acted older, I respected my teachers, respected my fellow students, I knew things like cooties weren't real, I was nothing short of strange. I've always been the thinking type, instead of paying attention in school, I taught myself most of it. Most people my age have thoughts clogged with getting drunk and acting like apes, but mine are sophisticated, anything from how the big bang theory is incomplete to how one could seperate ones possible soul from their body. Alas, I digress

The reason I'm asking myself this is, I feel as if I've not only lived a past life, but dozens maybe hundreds all consumed with war. I feel like war is part of me, it's my calling, my fate. It's hard to put it into words but it's like as if youve done something so many times that it becomes second nature. And even if you lost all memory of it you'd always find your way back. I'm not a vet but yet I feel like I am, the thought of combat doesn't scare me, instead it feels like its the one thing I should be doing. I feel old older than my peers, older than my elders, I talk to people my own age as if their much younger than I.

One time I read an article about 'ancient souls' I never gave it much thought until one day I was had a conversation with my father. He doesn't usually take me seriously ( not that I blame him) but he at least humors me. My dad is a skeptic, I can't even convince him that ghosts exist. I've never told him about any of this, not even scratched the topic, which is why I why I was utterly shocked when one day he randomly said " maybe you have one of those "ancient souls" I was just telling him some phosophical thought I had, I just played dumb and asked him where he heard of that. He said that I sounded like my uncle, who supposedly always acted a lot older than he was. I just left it at that, I dunno where he learned the concept but I surprised me that he was serious, I thought he was being sarcastic.

I dunno if reincarnation is real or not but it makes more sense than none. Maybe you guys can offer some sort of explaination, I know theirs no evidence to support the belief but I'm open to whatever opinions that can be tossed in. I know ats isn't really the place for this sort of thing but I'd rather consult this site than pay some con 150 bucks to tell me I was a magic leprechaun in another life. I'd rather hear honest opinions than con jibberish. I apologize in advance for this thread jumping all over topic. As I'm typing this on a rather unreliable iPod that won't let me scroll up to see what I already wrote without deleting it.




posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 08:54 PM
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Wow poorly written, nonetheless thank you for your time and input. In the meanwhile I shall do some more research to see if I can find anything that makes some sense. If I find anything viable I'll post it in this thread.



posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 09:03 PM
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Well to me it makes more sense than getting a single chance at life and if you mess up you burn forever in fire


Plus I don't think you can really get the whole "human experience" in the time span of 100 or so years if you stay healthy and are lucky enough to never experience an event that could potentially kill you.

Though if you never experience an event like that, you haven't experienced the full spectrum of "life". If that makes any sense

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posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 09:04 PM
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Here is an active thread with this topic being discussed from many different angles.

Let's talk about REINCARNATION again....by special request.



posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 09:08 PM
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Are you familiar with this claimed reincarnation case? It's a family who believes their son is a reincarnated Navy fighter pilot.



Our energy may recycle back into a human upon death. Who knows.



posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 09:13 PM
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Reincarnation is 100% fact. Try a past life regression OP.



posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 09:18 PM
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Originally posted by rabzdguy
Reincarnation is 100% fact. Try a past life regression OP.


Whoa. That's quite a statement, my good man. You mean it is 100% fact, in your opinion. Correct? Or no?

I've done past life regression, but who's to say what I saw was my past life? Why couldn't it have been a fantasy, or someone else's life I saw?
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posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 09:26 PM
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Another avenue you may want to pursue is "DNA memory". It is theorized that DNA and cells can in fact hold actual memories from their DNA ancestors.

I don't believe this has been proven beyond a doubt but it's certainly possible and seems somewhat probable.

This could explain the reasons why we have DeJa Vu and seem to recall memories from previous existance and what not.

It's a fact that DNA holds memory as far as evolution is concerened. I don't think it's too far of a stretch to think that residual memories could be triggered in some subtle way or another.

And honestly, that's probably about as close as you can get to an actual reincarnation. In death, the EGO self ceases to exist. So in previous life you couldn't have been the EGO "you". At least that's how many buddhists would explain it..

It's kinda like this... Again, using buddhism's take on it, (I don't know anyone elses take) It's similar to a lighter being lit. When you light it you see a flame. When you release the button, the fire goes away. Light it again, and you get another flame. Is it still a flame the second time you lit it? Yes... Is it the same flame you just saw? No. But it has been and will continue to be.....A Flame.... Kinda hard to explain, really hard to understand...

My money is on DNA memory as an explanation.. And explanation for your concern and reincarnation in general.

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posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 09:29 PM
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Originally posted by rabzdguy
Reincarnation is 100% fact. Try a past life regression OP.


ROFL..Fact my arse....



posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 09:53 PM
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I don't think reincarnation is real.

The Bible says on Judgement Day all of us souls are united with our bodies. So, if there is reincarnation, then which body would our soul re-unite with?

Also, if you believe in Virgin Mary apparitions, I believe it was either Fatima of Medjogorjie where Mary wanted to clear up the misconception of reincarnation and saying it was a False Teaching coming from Satan because reincarnation gives the false belief that if you don't get something right the 1st time around, don't worry, there'll be another life. She also mentioned what I had said in paragraph 2.

Reincarnation also negates the sinful act of suicide. If people think there's more lives, they may not hold the importance of this life and may be more prone to suicide, which is a sin. There's no replay. No 2nd chance offers. You can see why Satan would want to teach this --getting people to "Kill themselves to live" is one of the many things he wants. More than 1 life takes away all the importance and holiness this 1 life is supposed to be held in.



posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 10:06 PM
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Thanks guys, Cconn487 you share a very interesting point, I agree, in my opinion reincarnation makes more sense than most religious beliefs. For example: with christianity there are too many loose ends, i.e. what happens to babies? what happens to a troubled child? Heaven? Hell? Says who, a 2,000 year old book?
No TheLieWeLive, I am not familiar with that case, however I am familiar with a coupl who claimed their son was a priest or shaman, it sounded so ridiculous that I just laughed it was hard to take serious

Rabzdguy, i'd say it's more opinion than fact, nonetheless i'll give the regression theory a try. Unfortunately I have no idea where i'd find a legit specialist and not just some carney who wants me to pay them to tell me what they see in their crystal ball. It seems more like a scam to me, although i'm sure legit ones exist. Any suggestions? Preferably someone who hasnt done time in a mental institution? Thank you



posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 10:36 PM
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You think too much and read too much religious material. God and the Devil are illusions. This quantum experience has plenty of evidence of reincarnation. just youtube it geeze. I've seen ghosts so I don't think reincarnation is too far off. I've also had out of body experiences as a child, so I know soul transference isn't far behind. We live in a type of quantum reality, which means things exist which (known science) cannot detect. This includes connections of energy, down to the atomic level we have yet to publicly penetrate.



posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 10:37 PM
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Ok so humans are blessed with only 1 life?

1 life to experience this infinity of a universe?

I think not..



posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 10:44 PM
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I believe in reincarnation in this sense:

I came from nothing, I shall return to nothing. I think the process probably repeats itself, because...well, why not?

If reductionist scientists believe that our lives are mere one-off blips on the flatline of nothingness, they have to prove that. Otherwise, I think I am entitled to believe that this process repeats itself.

I don't necessarily believe in a soul as such, but I believe that this particular configuration that I call "I" and "me" is repeatable somehow (I have a philosophical problem with the idea of the 'soul'...presumably pure consciousness that exists independently of the brain/body and continues to exist after the brain/body dies. If that is the case, why does it need a brain/body to begin with?)

That said, I don't see how there could be memory of past lives, because each reincarnation begins with a new brain...the old one, with all its memories, has perished.

So past life regression would not be possible if my theory is correct.



posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 10:44 PM
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So did you go into the regression thinking you want to know of a past life? Then after seeing what you saw..you just deny it as fantasy or a dream still?



posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 10:49 PM
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Religion favors the idea of reincarnation not being real, they put more fear into its believers when they tell them "YOU GOT 1 LIFE ONLY..USE IT TO WORSHIP GOD X OR YOU GO TO HELL".

Knowing you have lived before..and will live again makes life a breeze, it takes away alot of fear.

Religion and athiests are in the same boat as this topic i would say...nether believe



posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 11:17 PM
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I think everyone here has a lot of good views and helpful, as I said in the OP i'm not overly religious, however I myself have experienced many things in life that religions such as christianity dismiss as evil. I was once a devout christian and what I witnessed was ignorance, hate, and fear crammed down everyones throat. As I read the bible I read contradiction after contradiction, and loads of hipocracy. I got sick of it all so I went athiest for a while, but wasn't satisfied with whole 'life means nothing and its all in vain' ideal. It left me feeling rather empty. so, now I keep an open mind and belive anything is possible. In my opinion with science and religion intertwined reincartion seems to make more sense. My life isn't consumed with hate, ignorance, fear or emptiness. Instead Im free to be me, and when I die it wont be with fear or regret or hate. It'll be peaceful believing that life is a cycle and i'll always have chance to make a difference. Maturing the soul, Growing spiritually.



posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 11:51 PM
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I actually wrote a full paragraph but then lost it when my ipod closed the page and went to youtube
So, in short my thought is you take a 2,000 year old book waaaay too literally. I lived a life like that once and was completely miserable. Then I walked away from that life and have never better, enlightened. If living a peaceful fullfilling life of freedom and happiness without blind hate, fear, or ignorance is evil. Then i'll walk straight into hell with a smile and embrace lucifer. Oops I just blasphied
looks like i'm going to hell, oh well
No offence friend but life is about peace and love, not predjudice and hate. - peace



posted on Jan, 3 2013 @ 12:08 AM
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Originally posted by OneNationUnder

The Bible says on Judgement Day all of us souls are united with our bodies. So, if there is reincarnation, then which body would our soul re unite with?
Mary wanted to clear up the misconception of reincarnation and saying it was a False Teaching coming from Satan because reincarnation gives the false belief that if you don't get something right the 1st time around, don't worry, there'll be another life. She also mentioned what I had said in paragraph 2.

Reincarnation also negates the sinful act of suicide. There's no replay. You can see why Satan would want to teach this -

WOW so does that mean that the billions of people that died will return, will god also expand earth to the size of jupiter? HaHa Satan this satan that, I ate a grilled cheese sandwich with the virgin mary on it, Satan made me do it.
You wouldn't happen to be a member of the westboro baptist church would you. The bible says they rightious, and ghandi was evil



posted on Jan, 3 2013 @ 03:39 AM
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You can buy hypnotic cds that put you in a meditative state, and with practise access your past lifes.

There are a lot of scammers out there who will take your money to guide you to a life that might not be yours.

I have had several past life experiances, some good some bad. However I still do not beleive in reincarnation, I believe I am picking up energies from the past.

But do try this yourself and make up your own mind.
Good luck to you.



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