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Originally posted by ANOK
But I thought Russia, China etc., were communists?
Funny how when people can't argue anymore against overwhelming evidence anymore, instead of conceding they have to switch to 'it can't work'.
Well if it can't work then how, in your mind, did the USSR survive so long as "communists".
Originally posted by spinalremain
Reply to post by NysgjerrigDame
For several very simple reasons.
They grew up being taught that America is the greatest nation ever, can never do any wrong and that communism is pure evil. Couple that with listening to Fox News and Glenn Beck or Limbaugh, where the word communism is constantly used, albeit incorrectly, every 10 minutes, they lose all critical thinking ability and they are programmed to automatically equate communism with evil. More importantly, they automatically equate Obama with communism and evil. It's disturbing to see how many ill informed, downright ignorant people are in the country and wandering about under the illusion that they understand what they say.
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reply to post by openminded2011
I dont believe "communism" by definition has ever existed.
Originally posted by MidnightTide
reply to post by NoHierarchy
Keep on dreaming about moonbeams and ponies......reading about communism is like reading a book of fiction. Never going to happen.
No one has stated that communism is wrong, it is just impossible to implement.
(and with people like you who are stating that right wing / capitalists are stupid and the OP who wants people that disagree to disappear / do not comment - no wonder we doubt your "for the people" claim, in any communists / socialist society eventually an individual with those very attitudes will show up and the rest of us will be # out of luck)
Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by NoHierarchy
And THIS^^^ is why right-wingers/Capitalists are thought of as utterly stupid/uninformed.
Way to forget what you wrote.You said "your reading" of Hayek appeared to be advocating socialism, populism, etc. I said that's bull$hit, since, as someone with 7 Hayek books on my bookshelf, having studied his writings, I know that to interpret Hayek in such a light is as insane as claiming Darwn advocated creationism. In other words, what you claimed about Hayek is the exact opposite of what Hayek believed. The fact that you haven't expanded upon that claim shows you either haven't read hs writings, and only know of him, or are Bull$#ting for the thrill of it.
If you actually study Socialism, most of your claims will fall away for many of its incarnations. So... try again, fascist.
That is so pathetically weak. If you're able, address each of my points about the dangers of socialism. If my worries are unfounded, address them. Elucidate, instead of decrying my ignorance of socialism (which I know quite well).
Originally posted by clapper
Hey I am from China... technically we are still living in a Communism country(Communism political system combine with half Capitalism economy), I can tell Communism is not a good thing, it still affecting these days no matter how much works karl marx or other wisemen had done on paper, Communism had killed people, millions and millions, Destroyed traditions culture and integrity.
What's even WORSE is that China not only experiences the worst of Communism but also the worst of CAPITALISM.
regulations/social safety nets/redistribution to help ameliorate imperfections in unrestrained Capitalism.
It's not pathetically weak. What was PATHETICALLY WEAK was your initial comment where you fail to address Socialism and simply regurgitate the tired old example of extreme/despotic state-Communist societies. It's pure cherry-picking prejudice based on a narrow view of reality. If you analyze the spectrum of Socialism and concepts with Socialist leanings, you will NOT find tyrannical state-Communism as its result, period.
Marx and Engels used the terms Communism and Socialism to mean precisely the same thing. They used “Communism” in the early years up to about 1875, and after that date mainly used the term “Socialism.” There was a reason for this. In the early days, about 1847-1850, Marx and Engels chose the name “Communism” in order to distinguish their ideas from Utopian, reactionary or disreputable movements then in existence, which called themselves “Socialist.” Later on, when these movements disappeared or went into obscurity, and when, from 1870 onwards, parties were being formed in many countries under the name Social-Democratic Party or Socialist Party, Marx and Engels reverted to the words Socialist and Socialism. Thus when Marx in 1875 (as mentioned by Lenin) wanted to make the distinction referred to by the Daily Worker, he spoke of the “first phase of Communist society” and “a higher phase of Communist society.” Engels, writing in the same year, used the term Socialism, not Communism, and habitually did so afterwards. Marx also fell, more or less closely, into line with this change of names and terms, using sometimes the one, sometimes the other, without any distinction of meaning.