Originally posted by jiggerj
Originally posted by Observationalist
reply to post by jiggerj
We are all conditioned by our repetitive experiences. I play golf well because I have done so with my father since I was a kid. I'm also a Christian
because I was raised in a Christian home. I also should be a republican from my experience but I have re evaluated my stance (independent).
I'm still a Christian but not the brainwashed kind I was afraid I was becoming. I made a conscious effort to dig in to find out what the bible was
about, and was satisfied with my findings.
I'm still a golfer and struggle to find the perfect swing, but I'm not fanatical about it unlike some who learned later than I.
That's just it, a brainwashed person is the last to know he/she is brainwashed. When you speak of golf and politics, they are based on reality. There
are choices to be made in both fields, so the ability to differentiate between logical and illogical is hardwired into those neurons that were created
specifically for those subjects. You would never use a putter as a driver on a 400 yard fairway. But, you would accept that a man's death can somehow
forgive sins. Death and the forgiveness of sins do not go together - there is no connection between them, but you won't be able to work this out with
your religious neurons.
However, if a child is taught that magic exists within the bible (gods, devils, dead people rising, contradictions...), then the neurons created
specifically for religious beliefs will not develop the ability to discern what is logical as opposed to what isn't.
Here's an example of an inconsistency int he bible that you will probably create an excuse for, instead of just saying, "You're right, that
doesn't make sense." Every believer in the bible is totally convinced that their god is all-knowing. By 'all-knowing' we mean he can see the past,
present, future, and he can even see every thought in everyone's mind. ALL-KNOWING. Yet, the bible tells us that God said to Abraham as he was about
to sacrifice his son, "Now I know that you fear me."
That remark clearly implies that this god didn't know that Abraham feared him before this. But the biblical god SHOULD HAVE known this even before
Abraham was born, even before he created the earth.
Is this a flaw, or will you make up an excuse for it.
edit on 1/3/2013 by jiggerj because: (no reason given)
I want to jump back in with some personal experiences.
You can choose to learn anything but its what motivates that learning into belief, into action. I can learn to golf but is it logical to believe I can
be the best player of all time, is that my motivation, or do I learn it because my dad wanted me to, and I want or please my dad. At some point I get
tired of pleasing my dad and play for my own reasons.
If all I ever see is my father defending Republican ideas and listening to talk radio, I'm presented a biased view of politics. When I turned 18 I
voted Republican because its all I knew. As I grew up and learned more about the political process and observed the failings of both parties I made my
own political stance.
When presented with the idea of a God who can forgive sins, once again in the early stages I'm subject to my fathers beliefs. At some point I
separate from my fathers faith and establish my own belief system. I'm responsible for examining the evidence.
The determining factor if I continue in my fathers belief hinges on what I observed him do with his. Did he live it out did I observe unconditional
love did I see forgiveness played out consistently, kindness self control and justice. If I saw abuse and abandonment, or contradictions in his
actions then I would be incline to reject his belief.
When parents go to church they drop their kids off in Sunday school. A Sunday school teacher is not as influential as a parent or admired authority
figure. I learned jack in Sunday school, and I honestly don't believe the church should play such a big roll in teaching kids about faith in God. It
is the parents responsibility not the church to educate kids about their faith.
Just like its no the responsibility of the church to grow the kids faith, Its not the responsibility of the pastor to grow the parents faith. Its the
individual who have to work out their faith. There are many who grew up with a shallow understanding of God and now rely on religious figures to tell
them it will be okay, just stay away from the big bad world. That's not the model that Jesus presented, not the way he taught his disciples. I know
you think the Bible is a bunch of fairy tales so I will stop there.
I'm speaking from my experience in the following Christian denomination, Baptist and Assembly of God.