Illinois Bill to Ban all Modern Firearms

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posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 04:23 PM
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Originally posted by cosmicexplorer
www.thetruthaboutguns.com...

I currently work as a police officer and have been for almost 10 years and I am upset that my state is actually considering this.

I can assure you I would not enforce this law...I can also assure that if ordered I would simply resign. I am looking for other careers as I type this. I have worked on SWAT as a sniper and had a very prestigious career. It saddens me to think that Im not the only officer who feels this way and if something like passes...the public will lose many good officers.



Yours is a catch 22 situation. If you and all the good cops quit, your ranks will be filled with poorly trained, mentally fragile goons with no self control who will do anything for a paycheck. Check out the tsa for an example. After 9/11 many of the employees undoubtably signed up with good intentions. Most people with souls have quit and now it's devolved into perverts who couldn't hold down a normal job. The economy is terrible and subsequently the government has zero problems filling the ranks with desperate people.

I understand you can't morally support a corrupt system; however, you are also in a good position to provide important "leaks" to the general public. I'm not familar with your family/financial situations, but staying in as long as possible while leaking any proof you have of illegal operations might be something to consider.




posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 04:43 PM
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lets ban all beer too because people still die from drunk drivers. and lets ban smoking too because it gives you cancer. oh and lets not forget spoons... they make people fat.
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posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 04:59 PM
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Im not a huge conspiracy theorist kind of guy, but how can someone think this is acceptable? It feels like they are literally taking our guns before the economic collapse.


It used to be a conspiracy theory but now it is fact... They want to disarm the people. and they are moving really fast this time. I just hope that FEMA camps and reeducation camps are only a conspiracy theory.



posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 05:00 PM
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We need to ban the nut jobs in our government.



posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 09:38 PM
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I recently learned that the state congress cannot pass anything to the senate without the blessing of the state AG. Aint that convenient?



posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 09:53 PM
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Originally posted by DarthMuerte
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I absolutely disagree. No man of conscience should continue to work for such an organization. Maybe he should move to Texas where someone of his moral fiber would be respected?


And I completely disagree with you.

Anyone with a conscience will not run from the situation and instead stand up against it.

I can imagine, barring something I'm unaware of, someone having a political career based on honesty for a change.

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posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 09:55 PM
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Originally posted by grownshow

Originally posted by cosmicexplorer
www.thetruthaboutguns.com...

I currently work as a police officer and have been for almost 10 years and I am upset that my state is actually considering this.

I can assure you I would not enforce this law...I can also assure that if ordered I would simply resign. I am looking for other careers as I type this. I have worked on SWAT as a sniper and had a very prestigious career. It saddens me to think that Im not the only officer who feels this way and if something like passes...the public will lose many good officers.


Yours is a catch 22 situation. If you and all the good cops quit, your ranks will be filled with poorly trained, mentally fragile goons with no self control who will do anything for a paycheck. Check out the tsa for an example. After 9/11 many of the employees undoubtably signed up with good intentions. Most people with souls have quit and now it's devolved into perverts who couldn't hold down a normal job. The economy is terrible and subsequently the government has zero problems filling the ranks with desperate people.

I understand you can't morally support a corrupt system; however, you are also in a good position to provide important "leaks" to the general public. I'm not familar with your family/financial situations, but staying in as long as possible while leaking any proof you have of illegal operations might be something to consider.



I whole heartily agree with this statement. The best way to keep tabs and fight the system is from within the system. Don't give up, fight it anyway possible that won't put family/friends in jeopardy...which at this point would be a difficult and fine line, but worth the effort to try.

Set up a VPN using a gift card and fake email that you registered using the tor browser and leak as much info to us as possible while trying to avoid breaking any moral codes you have. Good luck, god bless.

Also OP, thank you for your service and your civil service duties.



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posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 11:27 PM
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Leaking info is just as dangerous if not more dangerous..... plus if they want Obam can turn off your leaks communication capabilities... I say discuss this issue with your fellow officers and come to a decision. Will you as a police officer and as a protector of the people and vet be a person who helps to disarm the people or will you make your stand and let the corrupt officials know you posses more within you than simple putty to be molded and shaped as they desire.

Are you a mindless goon or are you a defender of freedom and liberty? I too took the oath, and although I was discharged (honorably) I still feel it is my duty defend the defenseless and gaurd the liberty of the people. As ignorant as some of them are, I swore to defend them all, not some, not a few, but to defend all the citizens with my life. Stand up and stand strong, never back down and never give up.

LIBERTY FOR ALL



posted on Jan, 3 2013 @ 12:00 AM
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Um...did this already pass?!

Committee passes gun restriction


Both Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn and Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel on Wednesday night praised an Illinois Senate committee's approval of a ban on assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines. In a party-line vote, the committee approved measures that would ban the possession, delivery, sale and transfer of semiautomatic handguns and rifles, but would allow current owners to keep them. High-capacity ammunition magazines would be restricted.

Quinn said he is very pleased the Public Health Committee took the step.

"There is no place in Illinois for weapons designed to rapidly fire at human targets at close range," he said. In a statement, Emanuel said in order to protect children, families and communities, there is a need for "common-sense laws that provide the residents of our cities with the safety they deserve."


If not, it will given our amazing governor's support for such legislation...
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posted on Jan, 3 2013 @ 12:04 AM
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If Illinois is allowed to ignore the 2nd Amendment which applies to all of the United States out of respect for its state sovereignty then other states can exercise their state sovereignty and chose to ignore new national gun laws.
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posted on Jan, 3 2013 @ 12:07 AM
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Im not a huge conspiracy theorist kind of guy...

There is truth to probably every conspiracy theory; all theories are born from something. The more truth you discover the more you begin to realize how the world really works. People who scoffe at, and blow off these theories are happily unaware of everything around them. Lucky them, huh?



posted on Jan, 3 2013 @ 12:08 AM
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Sad part about all this...the supreme court just recently told the state of Illinois they had 190 days to revise their gun laws to adhere to the national constitution...declaring the restrictions as an infringement on the 2nd amendment. So instead of relinquishing their hold on the laws, they make them more restrictive.

Basically, the great state of Illinois just gave the supreme court a big middle finger...



posted on Jan, 3 2013 @ 12:14 AM
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Can a state be kicked out of the union?
Forced secession!



posted on Jan, 3 2013 @ 12:19 AM
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Lol, I don't think so...but to think the citizens would comply with any of this is a stretch beyond even an idiots ability to comprehend...



posted on Jan, 3 2013 @ 12:25 AM
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Didn't Chicago learn anything the last time they had banned things (prohibition)?

Stupid is as stupid does, i guess!



posted on Jan, 3 2013 @ 12:58 AM
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Originally posted by cosmicexplorer
www.thetruthaboutguns.com...

Senate President John Cullerton is attempting to ban all "assault" weapons even though the rumor is it will include just about everything we can imagine. I can not believe how unconstitutional this is. I have spent 4 years in the infantry...defending it and defending free speech so people can gather here and debate some of the most difficult topics. I currently work as a police officer and have been for almost 10 years and I am upset that my state is actually considering this.

I can assure you I would not enforce this law...I can also assure that if ordered I would simply resign. I am looking for other careers as I type this. I have worked on SWAT as a sniper and had a very prestigious career. It saddens me to think that Im not the only officer who feels this way and if something like passes...the public will lose many good officers.

Im not a huge conspiracy theorist kind of guy, but how can someone think this is acceptable? It feels like they are literally taking our guns before the economic collapse.

Highly frustrated with Illinois right now. As always...share your thoughts please...am I the one who is crazy in all this? And how to other officers feel about this if any are out there? PM me if you prefer and don't want your statements public.


I currently don't live in the State of Illinois but I grew up there. It's outrageous even thinking about it for me, and I'm not even in that state anymore. I'm here in the state that upholds the second amendment to the highest standards, California (sarcasm). I can't believe other LE are supporting that? That fact that you're the only person upset by that is nuts. What is it coming to when Law Enforcement stop caring if it goes against the constitution? Anyway I'm glad you're looking for a different career as if I were in your shoes I'd be doing the same. I wouldn't be able to enforce those laws, it would go against my beliefs.

Stay Safe OP.



posted on Jan, 3 2013 @ 03:42 AM
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The link posted in the OP states "nearly every gun you currently own will be banned and will be subject to confiscation by the Illinois State Police", and "no exemptions and no grandfathering", and that you'll have to "turn in your guns to the State Police to avoid prosecution". Or that it would ban "such classics as M1 Garands and 1911-based pistols".

All lies. Read the damn bill, it's only about 15 easy pages of reading and half of it covers shooting range safety and licensing. It very clearly states that all the weapons outlined will in fact be grandfathered, and will not be confiscated (bottom paragraph on page 11). As for the M1 Garand and 1911 comment, it doesn't ban them unless said weapon is also equipped with specific attachments such as a pistol grip on the M1 or a folding stock on the 1911, among a few others. There's an unloaded weight restriction on semi-auto pistols at 50 ounces, but even a 1911 unloaded only weighs about 38 ounces.

Typical "big bad gub'mint coming for my guns" fear mongering. Deny ignorance.



posted on Jan, 3 2013 @ 03:54 AM
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Just a little history refresher: Prohibition, the 18th Amendment, was ratified by Congress January 16th, 1919. That would be the Federal Government, thus the law of the United States.

Appropriate last line.



posted on Jan, 3 2013 @ 05:03 AM
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ATS; the place where "patriots" pretend to be into politics but do not care enough to read the actual bill in question.



posted on Jan, 3 2013 @ 08:23 AM
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It may say these things in the bill, which I have read, but the way they put it together and the way it forces registration is beyond me. This isn't fear mongering, this is serious stuff...Do you live in Illinois? The United States? Just one more step forward to getting them all banned.

The wording makes it almost seem like they are banning all semi-auto weapons and anything that has a .50 caliber round...which the second part is okay, given that .50 cal weapons are, imo, redundant.

I guess we will see what happens after they pass this...if they start forcing gun owners to register their weapons, or if they take it further and start confiscation...then, that, would be the beginning of the end of this state...

On top of that; these bills 1263 and 816 weren't about weapons at all a week and a half ago...the provisions were added almost blindly. With news sources quoting these types of things...it's a little frustrating...


House Bill 1263 bans the possession and sale of semi-automatic assault weapons, and House Bill 815 bans the possession and sale of large-capacity ammunition magazines. Both bills are in response to the December school shootings in Connecticut.

“These military-style weapons have no use in our cities,” said Colleen Daley, executive director of the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence. Todd Vandermyde, a lobbyist for the National Rifle Association, said he believes the assault weapons bill goes too far.

“This will ban every semi-automatic handgun that accepts a magazine,” he said. Jay Keller, executive director of the Illinois Firearms Manufacturer’s Association, said some weapons banned by the bill “are pistols or shotguns purchased by the average homeowner or the average hunter.”

He also said the ban would cause some of the nearly 60 gun manufacturers located in Illinois to move to other states.
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