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Homeowner Shoots, Kills Burglary Suspect in N. Phoenix

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posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 06:43 PM
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Originally posted by Carreau
reply to post by GrandStrategy
 





Reads to me like he was a coward who got scared because some mentally ill person was trying to open his _ In blind fear, and nothing but fear, he irrationally shot the man to death


You and I have two VERY different definitions of the word coward. And I hope you or your family never have to find out what I'm talking about.


cow·ard
/ˈkouərd/
Noun
A person who lacks the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things.
Adjective
Excessively afraid of danger or pain.

This man was scared to confront and deal with the man like a man, instead he shot him dead from inside his house because he couldn't overcome that child like fear that's most common amongst 5 year olds.




posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 06:44 PM
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Originally posted by JarheadFidelis
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I havent been able to have a civil conversation with him either, but I would hope he wasnt that kind of person. Invading a persons home is a serious violation of the sanctity of their home.


You told me, and others, that we condoned rape. You're damn right I'm not going to have a civil conversation with you.



posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 06:45 PM
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Originally posted by GrandStrategy

Originally posted by JarheadFidelis
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Burglary of an occupied dwelling is not a petty crime. Most states consider it a serious felony. So, what would you do if you woke to find a man breaking in to your daughters room? Offer him tea and crumpets?


It's a petty crime. I don't care what most states consider it. Most states operate prisons as a means of slave labour and have idiotic laws like 3 strikes and the death penalty.

If i caught someone breaking into my house I would beat them out of it. If required, and only if required, I would kill them.

But if I shot dead every person who tried to break into my house because I was too scared to confront them like a man, I'd have a body count of about 5


Yup instead you left behind five people that will likely go on to victimize others. Way to go hero.

BTW I am a trained martial artist and one of the key rules is as follows "When skill is equal, strength wins". You might be able to "beat the # out him" but I promise it would only be a matter of time. Oh and if you have fife people break into your house that you had to beat up maybe you need to reconsider where you have chosen to live.......
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posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 06:51 PM
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reply to post by GrandStrategy
 


Youre an angry little fella, arent you? I think youre just one of those people who likes to argue for the heck of it.
I NEVER said I thought you condoned rape. Maybe you should go back to where I said "things get lost in translation" or "that was not my intent" Let it go, move on and get over it before you pop a blood vessel.



posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 06:54 PM
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Originally posted by Mamatus

Originally posted by GrandStrategy

Originally posted by JarheadFidelis
reply to post by GrandStrategy
 


Burglary of an occupied dwelling is not a petty crime. Most states consider it a serious felony. So, what would you do if you woke to find a man breaking in to your daughters room? Offer him tea and crumpets?


It's a petty crime. I don't care what most states consider it. Most states operate prisons as a means of slave labour and have idiotic laws like 3 strikes and the death penalty.

If i caught someone breaking into my house I would beat them out of it. If required, and only if required, I would kill them.

But if I shot dead every person who tried to break into my house because I was too scared to confront them like a man, I'd have a body count of about 5


Yup instead you left behind five people that will likely go on to victimize others. Way to go hero.


Perhaps, perhaps not, that's really not my concern. I'm not going to kill a petty thief. I know thiefs, they don't deserve to die for robbing microwaves and dvd players to feed their drug habits. What they need first and foremost is a good slap and rehabilitation, the order in which that doesn't really matter, then after that opportunity.

What sort of sheltered, perverse world do you live in where all criminals = bad and deserving of death. Do you not know ex criminals, ex drug addicts. Are you in such a bubble wrapped little fantasy that you cannot grasp the very real human capacity for change and self improvement?



posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 06:57 PM
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Originally posted by JarheadFidelis
reply to post by GrandStrategy
 


Youre an angry little fella, arent you? I think youre just one of those people who likes to argue for the heck of it.
I NEVER said I thought you condoned rape. Maybe you should go back to where I said "things get lost in translation" or "that was not my intent" Let it go, move on and get over it before you pop a blood vessel.


You said, in regards to me and others, and I quote directly




It sickens me to see people so adamant about hating an inanimate object that they would actually condone women being violated violently.


What has been lost in translation? You speak English don't you? I speak English. Last I checked we speak the same language. You were understood perfectly. You went as low as saying that people against guns are condoning rape. That's a low and cheap comment and I still haven't heard any apology for it.



posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 07:03 PM
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Originally posted by Mamatus
BTW I am a trained martial artist and one of the key rules is as follows "When skill is equal, strength wins". You might be able to "beat the # out him" but I promise it would only be a matter of time. Oh and if you have fife people break into your house that you had to beat up maybe you need to reconsider where you have chosen to live.......
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A matter of time before what? I lose a fight, big deal. Lost enough already. I'm not going to get shot by some little brown head looking for his next fix. England is not America, petty thieves who rob from cars and houses aren't going around tooled up, and if they are they're not going to waste those sorts of resources in my bloody area because there's nothing worth nicking!

and It's not like i chose to live anywhere, you live where you're raised. I like living where I live, the folk are nice and save for a few petty thieves it's nice and quiet. A couple of people peering through my window and trying to get in the back door isn't the end of the world.

Like I said it doesn't phase me. I'm British and I'm an adult. I'm not going to be intimidated and sit in my house scared with tons of weaponry because of some little scallies.



posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 07:11 PM
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How many accounts do you have on ATS?


Thanks op, i see there are individuals whom would curl up in a ball and let god take judgement of the outcome, and then there are Americans who take care of their family without hesitation. With some of these responses, no wonder the U.S. needs military bases all over the world.


Owe looks like this url is no longer working.
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posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 07:20 PM
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Originally posted by GrandStrategy
This is a great example of gun ownership? Reading the story, it sounds like he's just slaughtered in cold blood some poor mentally ill person.

Are you people for real? Shooting the mentally deranged is good? The mentally ill deserve death?

Every time I come to ATS my hope in humanity drops a little. Shooting a common criminal dead in cold blood is bad enough, to do it to some random crazy, probably too out of it to know any better, just smh.

You know what would happen in reasonable nations? He'd have been arrested and given the help he needs.

What the hell would Jesus say


Im sure you would be singing a different tune had he broken into your house, gave you a concussion, raped your wife and daughter, and stole all your money. That poor, poor mentally I'll man. He didn't know any better. Is that what you would be saying, while spitting your teeth out into your hands? My guess is that you don't have a wife or any children though, do you?
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posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 07:23 PM
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Originally posted by kingsquirel
reply to post by GrandStrategy
 


How many accounts do you have on ATS?


Thanks op, i see there are individuals whom would curl up in a ball and let god take judgement of the outcome, and then there are Americans who take care of their family without hesitation. With some of these responses, no wonder the U.S. needs military bases all over the world.


All you Americans have demonstrated in this thread is your inherent fear of the world. Owning and being prepared to use a gun doesn't hide the cowardice, sorry. I can give a gun to a 12 year old and he would show the shame shoot to kill "bravery" that you all have.

You sound like a bunch of cats, truth be told. I bet half of you would fold like ironing boards if forced into a confrontation with a criminal without your guns. Probability alone says that's got to be true. But you're all so tough eh, that's probably why the world over criminals target american tourists because they know you're a soft touch



posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by WP4YT

Originally posted by GrandStrategy
This is a great example of gun ownership? Reading the story, it sounds like he's just slaughtered in cold blood some poor mentally ill person.

Are you people for real? Shooting the mentally deranged is good? The mentally ill deserve death?

Every time I come to ATS my hope in humanity drops a little. Shooting a common criminal dead in cold blood is bad enough, to do it to some random crazy, probably too out of it to know any better, just smh.

You know what would happen in reasonable nations? He'd have been arrested and given the help he needs.

What the hell would Jesus say


Im sure you would be singing a different tune had he broken into your house, gave you a concussion, raped your wife and daughter, and stole all your money. That poor, poor mentally I'll man. He didn't know any better. Is that what you would be saying, while spitting your teeth out into your hands? My guess is that you don't have a wife or any children though, do you?
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Nope, no wife or kids. I'm a young man.

Statistically, the likelihood of a mentally ill person doing that, supposing I had either, is so low as to be not worth talking about. But woohoo USA. Shoot first ask questions laters. Let's kill dem dere retarded folks Chip! can't be too sure bout those there mentally 'sableds



posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 07:29 PM
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Originally posted by Twilightgem
I am in the northern Phoenix area so, this thread has got my interest.
I just found this info about states with similar laws.



Other states with strong Castle Doctrine and stand-your-ground laws include: Alabama, Arizona, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Montana, Nevada, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Utah, and Washington.

link


Actually the info in that link is outdated....this link is more updated


Link



posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 07:30 PM
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Originally posted by GrandStrategy

Originally posted by kingsquirel
reply to post by GrandStrategy
 


How many accounts do you have on ATS?


Thanks op, i see there are individuals whom would curl up in a ball and let god take judgement of the outcome, and then there are Americans who take care of their family without hesitation. With some of these responses, no wonder the U.S. needs military bases all over the world.


All you Americans have demonstrated in this thread is your inherent fear of the world. Owning and being prepared to use a gun doesn't hide the cowardice, sorry. I can give a gun to a 12 year old and he would show the shame shoot to kill "bravery" that you all have.

You sound like a bunch of cats, truth be told. I bet half of you would fold like ironing boards if forced into a confrontation with a criminal without your guns. Probability alone says that's got to be true. But you're all so tough eh, that's probably why the world over criminals target american tourists because they know you're a soft touch


I think Winston Churchill would disagree with you as he stated, "A love for tradition has never weakened a nation, indeed it has strengthened nations in their hour of peril."
Sir Winston Churchill

This quote of his was roughly said about the same time as he was asking the U.S. for help in WWII, so what has happened to the U.K. you guys get soft



posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 07:33 PM
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Originally posted by cripmeister

Originally posted by 1MrMarc

This is a great example of gun ownership.


Really?


Holmes said the suspect was initially seen trying to break into a pickup truck around 2 a.m. but fled when the truck's owner confronted him with a baseball bat.

Read more: www.abc15.com...


Of course we have this


The homeowner confronted the suspect who reportedly reached into his pants as if he had a weapon and was shot by the homeowner, who felt threatened, according to Holmes.

Read more: www.abc15.com...


Which could not possibly never in a million years be a lie to justify the use of deadly force.

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What difference does it make? If the man broke into his daughter's bedroom in the middle of the night, deadly force was justified regardless where he was reaching. People do not break into other people's homes in the middle of the night to sell Avon products.



posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 07:35 PM
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Originally posted by GrandStrategy

Originally posted by JarheadFidelis
reply to post by GrandStrategy
 


Youre an angry little fella, arent you? I think youre just one of those people who likes to argue for the heck of it.
I NEVER said I thought you condoned rape. Maybe you should go back to where I said "things get lost in translation" or "that was not my intent" Let it go, move on and get over it before you pop a blood vessel.


You said, in regards to me and others, and I quote directly




It sickens me to see people so adamant about hating an inanimate object that they would actually condone women being violated violently.


What has been lost in translation? You speak English don't you? I speak English. Last I checked we speak the same language. You were understood perfectly. You went as low as saying that people against guns are condoning rape. That's a low and cheap comment and I still haven't heard any apology for it.



So if you remove a woman's ability to stop a rape, what are you supporting then?



posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 07:37 PM
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My sentiments exactly. And breaking in through my childs window is just asking for trouble. Im a father and there is no way in heck Im going to risk the safety and security of one of my children to the intentions of a criminal stranger.



posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 07:40 PM
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Originally posted by JarheadFidelis
reply to post by NavyDoc
 


My sentiments exactly. And breaking in through my childs window is just asking for trouble. Im a father and there is no way in heck Im going to risk the safety and security of one of my children to the intentions of a criminal stranger.


There is an easy way not to get shot--don't break into people's houses. It is simple and environmentally friendly. I've been through some hard times myself, but have never been scum enough to resort to crime. Sympathy for criminals is one of our societal problems.



posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 07:41 PM
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Originally posted by kingsquirel

Originally posted by GrandStrategy

Originally posted by kingsquirel
reply to post by GrandStrategy
 


How many accounts do you have on ATS?


Thanks op, i see there are individuals whom would curl up in a ball and let god take judgement of the outcome, and then there are Americans who take care of their family without hesitation. With some of these responses, no wonder the U.S. needs military bases all over the world.


All you Americans have demonstrated in this thread is your inherent fear of the world. Owning and being prepared to use a gun doesn't hide the cowardice, sorry. I can give a gun to a 12 year old and he would show the shame shoot to kill "bravery" that you all have.

You sound like a bunch of cats, truth be told. I bet half of you would fold like ironing boards if forced into a confrontation with a criminal without your guns. Probability alone says that's got to be true. But you're all so tough eh, that's probably why the world over criminals target american tourists because they know you're a soft touch


I think Winston Churchill would disagree with you as he stated, "A love for tradition has never weakened a nation, indeed it has strengthened nations in their hour of peril."
Sir Winston Churchill

This quote of his was roughly said about the same time as he was asking the U.S. for help in WWII, so what has happened to the U.K. you guys get soft


What happened to the UK was that we were fighting a war with one of the greatest military powers of the time and, as you would, aid and military support was requested from an ally.

Don't really see what that has to do with American gun owners being scared of conflict(the fact we had to coerce you into joining WWII is sort of evidence, no?) and the fact Americans are specifically targeted and robbed throughout the world because your citizens are seen as a soft touch.



posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 07:47 PM
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Originally posted by NavyDoc
So if you remove a woman's ability to stop a rape, what are you supporting then?


Oh okay, so if I said that by having guns you must be condoning rape, because I believe there's a correlation between backwards countries that have guns and higher incidence of rape, would that be an acceptable thing to say?

I don't think that's acceptable in any decent persons book. But then again I'm not from America. It's obvious what you think is right and acceptable isn't in line with those of us living in the 21st century



posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 07:49 PM
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I will be amazed if the lawyers don't find a way to prosecute the man for protecting himself.
Do you remember the robber who fell on a kitchen knife while robbing a home and sued and won.





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