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posted on Jan, 3 2013 @ 05:02 PM
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Originally posted by GrantedBail
reply to post by SMOKINGGUN2012
 


So you think Vance is out of the loop and not informed on an hourly basis on the progress of this investigation?? You think he is flying by the seat of his pants? He clearly knows who the black honda is registered to as well as the firearms used, the witness statements, and every single facet of this investigation from the it's onset. The registered owner was NOT included in the motion for the search warrant because the investigators DID NOT want the information disseminated by the PUBLIC. For whatever reason, and it could be as innocuous as not wanting to implicate Ryan at all in the crime. We still don't know for sure who the registered owner is but I would bet you a doughnut that the Honda is registered to RYAN!!!!! To suggest that Vance is violating the "sealed affidavit" is just a ridiculous stretch.


I'd take that bet.. but err... donuts are too precious and I don't wanna lose!




posted on Jan, 3 2013 @ 05:13 PM
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Originally posted by Asktheanimals
reply to post by swansong19
 


My apologies, It was not my intention to be dismissive I just wanted to post a stern warning to others that posts dealing with those subjects would A) derail the thread and B) probably be removed.

Personally, I find EVERY angle worth investigating. It's your time to spend however you want and often answers come from unexpected angles. I wish we had a bit more latitude in dealing with certain subjects.


No need to apologize. I had a sense where you were coming from...and frankly...my comment was less for you than for others.

Keep doing what you're doing.
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posted on Jan, 3 2013 @ 05:22 PM
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reply to post by six67seven
 


I'm not being sarcastic. I honestly want to know some of the information that you have that is in question....
For example, the whole LIBOR scandal involvement by the fathers was pretty interesting..



posted on Jan, 3 2013 @ 05:26 PM
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It is not Ryan's vehicle. It would state that in the warrant. It is not Adams, or it would state it. Why you ask ?What is strange is the owner of the Honda is not listed but Nancy Lanza is listed as the registered owner of the silver BMW in another warrant. If both warrants were filed, you are going to tell me they checked the registration on one and listed it and not the other????

If they were both registered to her, it would state that. It did not. The link to the warrants is here, about 3 posts up. I also suggest you give this a read...all the way through...if you want to raise an eyebrow...

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Read between the lines folks.

As for the plates, i am on the fence because I know why it would be done and why he would have his brothers id. I would venture to say he hated his brother because he lived with dad and he was with mom and this could be another jab for if nothing else, bringing him into the limelight as it did. Subtle revenge after death to cause embarrassment.

This kid was not dumb.

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posted on Jan, 3 2013 @ 05:33 PM
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It's been mentioned in a couple of threads...this one, too, I think...regarding whether the photos of the evacuation were perhaps taken on a different date than the 14th of Dec.

I have done the best I can on comparitive photo analysis...and I am confident that all evac pics were taken on the same day...and that day was the 14th of Dec.

This is a photo of the parking lot with my description of where I think the participants would have been in the famous evac photo.



Here is the original evac pic



I'll tell you what I did find slightly odd.

The famous pic of the evac kids was apparently the first evac...if someone can provide confirmation on this I would appreciate it.

If it was the first evac...then why are the shadows shorter than the pic of the second evac? As if the sun is higher in the sky?

The top foto is shadows from a police officer and 2 women at almost the same spot as the 2 evacs. makes sense since the camera person didn't seem to move much.

The middle one you'll recognize.

And the bottom one is from the "second" evac.



Note that the aerial photo was claimed to have been taken by a Courant photog on the 14th of Dec on behalf of the Courant and McClatchy. This plus other markers leads me to think all these pics happened on the same day.

One more point.

The photog that took the pics makes it very clear that she arrived at the scene at 9:59am. At least 20 full min to traverse the mile and a half from the paper.

The photos were supposedly posted in the story, online, at 11:15.

Incredible, no?

She got there just in time to snap a couple of crucial photos...and then turned and immediately hightailed it back to the paper...didn't hang around to record the events for posterity...and managed to get back to the paper in a faster time than it took her to arrive.



posted on Jan, 3 2013 @ 05:33 PM
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That is simply not true. The motion for search warrant can be as vague as it needs to be. It is the AFFIDAVIT that gets into the nitty gritty ie probable cause, witness statements, specific items of evidence to be searched for and collected and why. The affidavits are sealed in this case. I have a post in this thread that shows you a sample search warrant for an automobile and it ONLY lists the tag number and not the registered owner. Nancy's name was published in the motion for the warrant because the investigators have determined her name is immaterial to the matter. They do not care that the public knows the ownership of the BMW because it has no relevancy to this case and obviously LE did not feel it was necessary to obscure the ownership. Period, IMO.



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posted on Jan, 3 2013 @ 06:07 PM
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An individual is not allowed to build a gun for resale and this includes modifying a Saiga to be US built E.G. 922 compliant. 10 round mag is fine more than this is illegal in an imported rifle or shotgun. Your logic that a magazine makes a Saiga 922 compliant is way way off base.

It is a fact that a modified Saiga made by an unlicensed individual for resale is not transferable, just the same as if you built a parts kit onto a 100% receiver. That is not to say they are not sold, but it is illegal to do so. You can NOT build guns for resale if you are not a federally licensed firearms manufacturer, period.

Saiga parts count.
(1) Receiver
(2) Barrel
(3) Mounting block
(4) Muzzle attachment (shotguns w/ threaded barrels only)
(5) Bolt
(6) Bolt carrier
(7) Gas piston
(8) Trigger
(9) Hammer
(10) Disconnector
(11) Buttstock
(12) handguards
(13) Magazine body
(14) Magazine Follower
(15) Magazine Floorplate

You need 5 parts to make a Saiga 922 compliant, and the act of doing so requires that a person be licensed or the weapon is not transferable. Just adding a HICAP magazine can and will land you in the Federal Penitentiary! Tranfering a modified Saiga not eligable for resale = penitentiary!

Be careful friend, I don't want to rain on your parade but don't think you can build weapons for resale with being licensed to do so. Modifying a Saiga to be 922 compliant is indeed manufacturing!

It's a good way to learn the time-honored profession of stamping out license plates! There is nothing more to be said than that.

If the ATF did make a determination that said the Saiga only had 13 parts then I would want to see it up close and personal before trusting it. The idea that just adding US made magazine can make a weapon 922 compliant is pretty awesome, but I think if it were true we would see many AK's and similar falling under the same.

www.law.cornell.edu...
18 USC 921(a)(11)(A) To resell you would be considered a dealer.
18 USC 922(a)(1)(A) To resell you would need an FFL.
18 USC 921(a)(21)(C) For the provisions of selling from one's own collection, and note that "dealing in firearms as a regular course of trade or business" is an ambiguous term, and can be interpreted against you in court, based on the facts. Even selling one is a "thin ice scenario". Selling more than one, or heading out to the gun show with a table full of modified guns would see you sitting for many many years!

Building and later selling a single gun would more than lilkely be fine, but anymore could see you in real trouble!
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posted on Jan, 3 2013 @ 06:11 PM
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Originally posted by GrantedBail
reply to post by esdad71
 


That is simply not true. The motion for search warrant can be as vague as it needs to be. It is the AFFIDAVIT that gets into the nitty gritty ie probable cause, witness statements, specific items of evidence to be searched for and collected and why. The affidavits are sealed in this case. I have a post in this thread that shows you a sample search warrant for an automobile and it ONLY lists the tag number and not the registered owner. Nancy's name was published in the motion for the warrant because the investigators have determined her name is immaterial to the matter. They do not care that the public knows the ownership of the BMW because it has no relevancy to this case and obviously LE did not feel it was necessary to obscure the ownership. Period, IMO.


I created the thread with the actual warrants so don't posture. This is not a pissing contest nor do I need you to explain law to me. We are actually closer in idea than you think also.

Now, you are stating they posted her name because it means nothing to the case so they would have done the same with the Honda if it was hers, or Adams. This is following your logic. We know who they are and it would stop questions. They did not. So, that would lend one to believe it is not registered to either of them. This again is again by your logic. We all know Adam, Ryan and the mother.

Adam is named as a resident of the home also because they know he lives there...Like ownership of the car. If they knew, they added it to the warrant. Why not add it unless it was an ongoing part of the investigation, which it is and involves a third party who may be being investigated.



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posted on Jan, 3 2013 @ 06:23 PM
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reply to post by esdad71
 


OK so let me back up... Thank you for posting the search warrants they were very helpful to me in concluding which car they were searching with respect to the crimes committed in this case. Because of the three different plate numbers and so on, in the beginning I couldn't put the pieces together regarding the suspect vehicle.

We both hold theories relative to this conspiracy. Personally, I have moved beyond the police hiding an additional suspect (s), AT THIS POINT. That is all. I respect your opinion and will do so more overtly in the future.

I do disagree with the ownership of the Honda. At this point, I believe it is registered to Ryan. That could change for me and/or turn out to be false. The car could be registered to any Lanza relative at this point (father, uncle, aunt, grandparent, ect...) I just have a strong suspicion that it is registered to Ryan based upon the earliest identification of the shooter as Ryan. I do now no believe that Adam had Ryan's id on him and he was in fact id'ed in the beginning based upon the registration of the Honda.

That is all. I still stand by my belief of the motion for search warrants. I want to do so respectfully.

That being said, I believe that Adam has a manipulator and handler and have a strong suspicion of who that person is. That is all I can say.
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posted on Jan, 3 2013 @ 06:27 PM
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Originally posted by foodstamp
reply to post by six67seven
 


I'm not being sarcastic. I honestly want to know some of the information that you have that is in question....
For example, the whole LIBOR scandal involvement by the fathers was pretty interesting..


The Libor accusations came from Sorcha Faal - known hoaxer. There are some connections but neither Peter Lanza nor James Holmes father were supposed to testify about it.



posted on Jan, 3 2013 @ 06:28 PM
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Originally posted by swansong19
The photog that took the pics makes it very clear that she arrived at the scene at 9:59am. At least 20 full min to traverse the mile and a half from the paper.

The photos were supposedly posted in the story, online, at 11:15.

Incredible, no?



What's incredible is watching your ongoing journey of self-discovery, beginning each and every time with your own failure to comprehend reality as it is, and ending with you figuring out that it was your own perceptions and reasoning that were lacking.

I am going out on a limb here. I'll predict your newly "discovered" shadow anomaly will turn out to be explained by once again by your lack of understanding, not that somehow the 2nd evacuation took place before the first.



posted on Jan, 3 2013 @ 06:34 PM
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reply to post by Vaedur
 


You may be right. I only see the one digit branch blocked but it may be hard to see the smaller off-branches so not 100% sure.



posted on Jan, 3 2013 @ 06:34 PM
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The official story is... there is no official story



They botched this operation up so bad as if it was rushed, rushed like the Bin Laden death hoax. It's like the Choose Your Own Adventure book's we use to read as kids where you could choose to pick up on another page. But the outcome is all the same. They play on your emotions and feed you propaganda and you sabotage your way of life for them to crush you under a tank on some sunny day. Obvious psy-op is obvious.
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posted on Jan, 3 2013 @ 06:38 PM
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IMO people that are running with this LIBOR junk have no idea of what LIBOR actually is!!! It is a silly presumption.


For libor scandal and manipulation, see Libor scandal.


The Libor gets its name from the City of London, one of the largest financial centres in the world.
The London Interbank Offered Rate is the average interest rate estimated by leading banks in London that they would be charged if borrowing from other banks.[1] It is usually abbreviated to Libor (pron.: /ˈlaɪbɔr/) or LIBOR, or more officially to BBA Libor (for British Bankers' Association Libor) or the trademark bbalibor. It is the primary benchmark, along with the Euribor, for short term interest rates around the world.[2][3]
Libor rates are calculated for ten currencies and 15 borrowing periods ranging from overnight to one year and are published daily at 11:30 am (London time) by Thomson Reuters.[4][5] Many financial institutions, mortgage lenders and credit card agencies set their own rates relative to it. At least $350 trillion in derivatives and other financial products are tied to the Libor.[6]

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posted on Jan, 3 2013 @ 06:55 PM
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I wanted to post an update I just found with respect to the investigation.


While the shooter is dead, investigators are trying to determine if anyone knew Lanza had planned the assault.
snip>



He said he issued the statement "just to kind of clear up, procedurally, what we're doing." He said doesn't want to imply that any arrests are expected.

"At the same time, I can't say absolutely not," Sedensky said. "I can't say absolutely not because I have to see the whole investigation." snip>



And federal firearms inspectors examined business records at the East Windsor gun shop where Nancy Lanza, Adam Lanza's mother, bought a weapon. Authorities said Adam Lanza used a Bushmaster .223-caliber semiautomatic rifle purchased by his mother; three law enforcement sources said Nancy Lanza had bought the Bushmaster rifle at the East Windsor store. snip>


www.courant.com...



posted on Jan, 3 2013 @ 07:01 PM
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Sorcha Faal / David Booth has been a thorn in our side a long time. Not only has he been exposed as a CIA disinfo agent he somehow still manages to pull off these hoaxes and people eat it up?


I think ATS should headline the sight in huge letter "sorcha faal is a disinfo agent" before people enter the site. Heck put it in the disclaimer when you register at a portal even, like

Do you understand Sorcha Fall is a disinfo agent? Click yes to enter site [ ]


hate that guy



posted on Jan, 3 2013 @ 07:16 PM
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I still have doubts, here is why.

* I am still thinking Adam and Nacy are still the victims. Since he is living with his mom, mom should have known if he is accumulating all these ammunitions for the guns.(Unless she stockpiled them). Even then, my doubt is that someone who knew this information used this info wisely.

* His death suspicious too, why did he stop? he had several other weapons at his disposal if one is jammed. The murder suicide is a convenient name for a scapegoat.



posted on Jan, 3 2013 @ 07:20 PM
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Originally posted by Asktheanimals
reply to post by GrantedBail
 


Here's Lauren Rousseau's car:


I had read there were 3 more guns at the Lanza residence, an Enfield rifle (.303cal) and 2 others I forget the type but all were rifles was my understanding.
There have also been reports of up to 4 handguns found in the school.
The public has been fed so much misinformation in just this single story it;s incredible.


Those holes look like they are from a handgun to me. The picture certainly isn't the best but the holes look bigger than 5.56.



posted on Jan, 3 2013 @ 07:49 PM
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Nancy is a victim for sure. She had weapons and had taking up shooting as a hobby. This has been repeated many times in interviews. It has also been stated that she was responsible with her guns. By all accounts she was a loving, caring mother that sacrificed her own personal needs to care for her handicapped son. I also saw an interview of a friend that stated she had introduced Adam to the guns and felt it would teach him "responsibility" and that Adam had taken to that introduction. In the very beginning it was stated that Adam accompanied his mother to the shooting range somewhere but that has never been repeated or confirmed.

I think that Adam very well may be a victim as well. The smoking gun is the destroyed hard drive. There was no reason to destroy his hard drive prior to embarking upon a murder-suicide mission. He was either instructed to do so or someone else did it. I have suspicions that Adam was being groomed for quite some time for something like this and it was done mostly through online communications.
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