Do it for your kids

Originally posted by Destinyone
reply to post by Unrealised

 

Have you ever been to my Country. Just asking, as you seem to hate it with a passion.

Des

Yeah.


Stayed in Chicago IL with my Aunt for about 6 months back in 2000, for work.


Then in 2002 I did a three month stint in Arkansas for the same company.




The people are nice, but the culture sucks.


Actually, I loved Arkansas, so I'll give you that.

Originally posted by dorkfish87
Oh and Australia is perfect right? No crime, no poverty, no inequality. No banker elite robbing you blind? No carbon tax? No racists?

I didnt think so. I've always said America should fix itself before attempting to police the world, and the same goes for the rest of you too

Yeah.


If this was a playground, and your country and mine were bully's, you've bashed all of year 2, and we've tripped over some kid.


It's apples and oranges.

Reply to Op

This thread is ridiculous. Just an anti American tirade. I'm not even American and that's all I see. Should we lump all British/Uk as soccer hooligans who trample children to get to their own safety? No? Why not? Isn't that what the op is doing to Americans and that's not right. Get a grip bud.

Originally posted by Putyournamehere
Reply to Op

This thread is ridiculous. Just an anti American tirade. I'm not even American and that's all I see. Should we lump all British/Uk as soccer hooligans who trample children to get to their own safety? No? Why not? Isn't that what the op is doing to Americans and that's not right. Get a grip bud.

No, try to send the message to the Government that you don't want any more gun massacres, and that they have to do something.


And mean it.


That is what's called getting a grip.

See i try to stay away from this gun talk its actually making me seriously think about leaving ATS as its really now becoming the most important issue...

Gun owners defending there right to have guns and anti gun crowd fighting for them to be banned.

My thoughts are, i was always into guns i am from the UK i was in the Air Cadets as such i was weaponed trained, i enjoy shooting i find it fun.


However, i do feel if you have a gun for a proper reason, hunting, or well hunting then fair enough, certain shot guns, bolt action rifles and small magazine holding semi\fully automatic then fair enough.
otherwise theres no reason to have guns, just like there no reason to carry knifes or swords, its not that they dont offer protection, obviously they do, but you have to face the fact that if someone has easy access to a weapon they are much more likley to use the weapon in a fit of anger or any other emotion.


Like i would love to leagally own lots of guns i really would, but surley as forward thinking individuals you can see that you shouldnt need weapons in this day and age around you all the time, its a little crazy, like needing a gun to protect yourself breeds the mentality that people are out to get you and the bst way to prevent them is taking there life... that seems a little mad.


i firmly beleieve that having weapons removed will prevent 100's if not 1000's of what can be summed up as crimes of passion, yes criminals will still have guns but in a generations time if the populace is bred to beleive that carrying and using a fire arm anywhere thats not in a hunting permited place or a shooting range (for competition and low caliber recreational purposes) is a crime and not accepted, it deters low level criminals gunning down people on the street, it prevents mentally unstable people having an easy method of taking lives...


i know there are plenty of arguments for guns, but there are plenty of arguments against, and in this day and age, what are you really defending yourself from, is not really the fear that some other person may have a gun? in the UK most people i know from most of the UK never fear someone shooting you, or someone breaking into your house witha gun, or a fight getting out of control andd someone being shot, because 90% of the populace dont have guns...



This is the only time i am voicing my opion on this...


Just my thoughts though.

So, have you thought about the kids yet?

Yup, and this is the reason why we are armed! Some things are inevitable people will be people and people will kill people with whatever they can get their hands on! whether a gun, knife, car, rocks, water, see where this is going?

You can keep your pea shooters, we'll keep our guns period!

You know I have one or two Ozzie friends, but the more I see of Australian culture, the more I dislike it. A majority are so full of themselves it's rediculous, and with little reason to do so.


To hell with government micromanaging, it's turning our species soft

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Exactly.


Sporting and hunting is fine, but owning a fully automatic weapon is just compensating for something.


We've all seen the mess they make.

reply to post by Unrealised


Send a letter to my government? The same government that covers up the killing of women and children overseas? The same government that's allows corporations to buy influence,and use that influence for profit instead of benefit? The truth is, I'm scared of government, and you should be too, especially since you don't have any guns.

Originally posted by dorkfish87
You know I have one or two Ozzie friends, but the more I see of Australian culture, the more I dislike it. A majority are so full of themselves it's rediculous, and with little reason to do so.


To hell with government micromanaging, it's turning our species soft

One or two friends?


Yeah, I bet you do.

As for the species turning soft, it's called 'getting along', and it will be a world-wide phenomenon one day.


That isn't ridiculous at all.

Originally posted by Putyournamehere
reply to post by Unrealised

 

Send a letter to my government? The same government that covers up the killing of women and children overseas? The same government that's allows corporations to buy influence,and use that influence for profit instead of benefit? The truth is, I'm scared of government, and you should be too, especially since you don't have any guns.

But you see, unlike your gung-ho maniac police and soldiers, Australians won't turn on each other.
We have true national-pride, which isn't built on guns and rebellion.


We have what we call 'mate-ship.'

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*laughs*

And what has Austrailia given the world? So far, the Wiggles.

reply to post by Unrealised


This has been said to death but I agree with it. The law is antiquated to a time where you needed to defend yourself. Now, it is not necessary and is a detriment to society.

If not for the kids, then what will it take?

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Oh that's sounds all lovley and chummy, looks like you guys got everything covered over there.

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Im a gun owner. Mostly pistols, and a few shot guns and bolt action rifles. I served in the military and carry a gun every day. In the 20 years Ive carried a gun, I have only had to pull it once. Didnt aim it or even threaten to shoot the person. Just the sight of it was enough and the individuals decided to leave. Had I not been armed that fay, I would of been stabbed and beaten with a bat. So, I am all for the right to keep and bear arms.
As for the AR-15s, AK-47s, etc that people refer to as "assault weapons", I dont own one, nor have a use for one. I do, however, have friends who use them to shoot at competitions, target practice and to hunt. If people are responsible, the type of weapon is irrelevant. If they are irresponsible, a 2 shot derringer can be a WMD.

Originally posted by nixie_nox
reply to post by Unrealised

 

*laughs*

And what has Austrailia given the world? So far, the Wiggles.

1838 – Pre-paid postage – Colonial Postmaster-General of New South Wales, James Raymond introduced the world's first pre-paid postal system, using pre-stamped sheets as envelopes. This post-dates Rowland Hill's 1837 recommendation for the introduction of pre-paid stamps (the "Penny Black") in Britain, but pre-dates their first issue in 1840.

1843 – Grain stripper – John Ridley and John Bull of South Australia developed the world's first grain stripper that cut the crop then removed and placed the grain into bins.

1856 – Refrigerator – Using the principle of vapour compression, James Harrison produced the world's first practical ice making machine and refrigerator.

1874 – Underwater torpedo – Invented by Louis Brennan, the torpedo had two propellers, rotated by wires which were attached to winding engines on the shore station. By varying the speed at which the two wires were extracted, the torpedo could be steered to the left or right by an operator on the shore.

1877 – Mechanical clippers – Various mechanical shearing patents were registered in Australia before Frederick York Wolseley finally succeeded in developing a practical hand piece with a comb and reciprocating cutter driven by power transmitted from a stationary engine.

1889 – Electric drill – Arthur James Arnot patented the world's first electric drill on 20 August 1889 while working for the Union Electric Company in Melbourne. He designed it primarily to drill rock and to dig coal.

1894 – Powered flight – Lawrence Hargrave discovered that curved surfaces lift more than flat ones. He subsequently built the world's first box kites, hitched four together, added an engine and flew five metres. Hargrave corresponded freely with other aviation pioneers, including the Wright Brothers. Unlike the Americans who commercialised their ideas, Hargrave never patented his. Because it promised public access, Hargrave left all his research and prototypes to the Munich Museum.

1903 – Froth flotation – The process of separating minerals from rock by flotation was developed by Charles Potter and Guillaume Delprat in New South Wales. Both worked independently at the same time on different parts of the process for the mining company Broken Hill Pty. Ltd. (BHP)

1906 – Feature film – The world's first feature length film, The Story of the Kelly Gang, was a little over an hour long.

1907 – Michell thrust block bearing – Fluid-film thrust bearings were invented by Australian engineer George Michell. Michell bearings contain a number of sector-shaped pads, arranged in a circle around the shaft, and that are free to tilt. These create wedge-shaped regions of oil inside the bearing between the pads and a rotating disk, which support the applied thrust and eliminate metal-on-metal contact. The small size (one-tenth the size of old bearing designs), low friction and long life of Michell's invention made possible the development of larger propellers and engines in ships. They were used extensively in ships built during World War I, and have become the standard bearing used on turbine shafts in ships and power plants worldwide.

1912 – Tank – A South Australian named Lance de Mole submitted a proposal to the British War Office, for a 'chain-rail vehicle which could be easily steered and carry heavy loads over rough ground and trenches' complete with extensive drawings. The British war office rejected the idea at the time, but De Mole made several more proposals to the British War Office in 1914 and 1916, and formally requested he be recognised as the inventor of the Mark I tank. The British Royal Commission on Awards to Inventors eventually made a payment of £987 to De Mole to cover his expenses and promoting him to an honorary corporal.

1912 – Self-Propelled Rotary Hoe – At the age of 16 Cliff Howard of Gilgandra invented a machine with rotating hoe blades on an axle that simultaneously hoed the ground and pulled the machine forward.

1928 – Electronic Pacemaker – The heart pacemaker had a portable apparatus which 'plugged into a lighting point. One pole was applied to a skin pad soaked in strong salt solution' while the other pole 'consisted of a needle insulated except at its point, and was plunged into the appropriate cardiac chamber'. 'The pacemaker rate was variable from about 80 to 120 pulses per minute, and likewise the voltage variable from 1.5 to 120 volts.' The apparatus was used to revive a potentially stillborn infant at Crown Street Women's Hospital, Sydney whose heart continued 'to beat on its own accord', 'at the end of 10 minutes' of stimulation.

Originally posted by nixie_nox
reply to post by Unrealised

 

*laughs*

And what has Austrailia given the world? So far, the Wiggles.

1952 – Atomic Absorption Spectrophotometer – The atomic absorption spectrophotometer is a complex analytical instrument incorporating micro-computer electronics and precision optics and mechanics, used in chemical analysis to determine low concentrations of metals in a wide variety of substances. It was first developed by Sir Alan Walsh of the CSIRO.

1953 – Solar hot water – Developed by a team at the CSIRO led by Roger N Morse

1957 – Flame ionisation detector – The flame ionisation detector is one of the most accurate instruments ever developed for the detection of emissions. It was invented by Ian McWilliam. The instrument, which can measure one part in 10 million, has been used in chemical analysis in the petrochemical industry, medical and biochemical research, and in the monitoring of the environment.

1958 – Black box flight recorder – The 'black box' voice and instrument data recorder was invented by Dr David Warren in Melbourne.

1961 – Ultrasound – David Robinson and George Kossoff's work at the Australian Department of Health, resulted in the first commercially practical water path ultrasonic scanner in 1961.

1972 – Orbital engine – The orbital internal combustion process engine was invented by engineer Ralph Sarich of Perth, Western Australia. The system uses a single piston to directly inject fuel into 5 orbiting chambers. It has never challenged the dominance of four-stroke combustion engines but has replaced many two-stroke engines with a more efficient, powerful and cleaner system. Orbital engines now appear in boats, motorcycles and small cars.

1979 – Bionic ear – The cochlear implant was invented by Professor Graeme Clark of the University of Melbourne.

1986 – Gene shears – The discovery of gene shears was made by CSIRO scientists, Wayne Gerlach and Jim Haseloff. So-called hammerhead ribozymes are bits of genetic material that interrupt a DNA code at a particular point, and can be designed to cut out genes that cause disease or dangerous proteins

1992 – Spray-on skin – Developed by Dr Fiona Wood at Royal Perth Hospital

1992 – Wi-Fi – A method developed by CSIRO researchers used to "unsmear" radio waves that echo off indoor surfaces was patented. This method has caused WiFi to be attributed as an Australian invention, although the Wi-Fi trademark, under which most products are sold, is under the ownership of the Wi-Fi Alliance based in Austin, Texas.

2002 – Scramjet – On 30 July 2002, the University of Queensland's HyShot team and their international partners conducted the first ever successful test flight of a scramjet. This test was conducted at the rocket range in outback South Australia called Woomera.

2012 - Quantum bit - A team of Australian scientists built the first quantum bit, the basic unit of quantum computing, using a single phosphorus atom implanted into a silicon chip. Research leaders include Andrew Dzurak of the University of Sydney and Andrea Morello of the University of NSW.




There's a couple I found on Wikipedia.



You can read more if you go there.

Source:reply to post by Unrealised


Ok first off OP, automatic firearms are a title III firearm and are very restrictive and expensive to aquire. The firearms they want to ban as "assault weapons" are all semi-automatics.

Here is a definition since you prob to lazy to understand the difference:

Semi-Automatic:

Definition of SEMIAUTOMATIC
: not fully automatic: as a : operated partly automatically and partly by hand b of a firearm : able to fire repeatedly but requiring release and another pressure of the trigger for each successive shot
— semiautomatic noun
— semi·au·to·mat·i·cal·ly \-ti-k(ə-)lē\ adverb
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Automatic:

Definition of AUTOMATIC
1a : largely or wholly involuntary; especially : reflex 5 b : acting or done spontaneously or unconsciously c : done or produced as if by machine : mechanical
2: having a self-acting or self-regulating mechanism
3of a firearm : firing repeatedly until the trigger is released
— au·to·mat·i·cal·ly \-ti-k(ə-)lē\ adverb
— au·to·ma·tic·i·ty \-mə-ˈti-sə-tē, -ma-\ noun
See automatic defined for English-language learners »
See automatic defined for kids »
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Get your firearms right to start.

Now how did your crime rates go after your "gun control":

AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN
April 13, 2009

It is a common fantasy that gun bans make society safer. In 2002 -- five years after enacting its gun ban -- the Australian Bureau of Criminology acknowledged there is no correlation between gun control and the use of firearms in violent crime. In fact, the percent of murders committed with a firearm was the highest it had ever been in 2006 (16.3 percent), says the D.C. Examiner.

Even Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:

•In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
•Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
•Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
Moreover, Australia and the United States -- where no gun-ban exists -- both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:

•Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America's rate dropped 31.7 percent.
•During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
•Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
•Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
•At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
•Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.
While this doesn't prove that more guns would impact crime rates, it does prove that gun control is a flawed policy. Furthermore, this highlights the most important point: gun banners promote failed policy regardless of the consequences to the people who must live with them, says the Examiner.

Source:


Crime climbs in Australia after widespread gun ban
August 29, 2012
The Maui News
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After Australian lawmakers passed widespread gun bans, owners were forced to surrender about 650,000 weapons, which were later slated for destruction, according to statistics from the Australian Sporting Shooters Association.

The bans were not limited to so-called assault weapons or military-type firearms, but also 22-caliber rifles and shotguns. The effort cost the Australian government about $500 million, according to an association representative.

Though lawmakers responsible for passing the ban promised a safer country, the nation's crime statistics tell a different story:

* Countrywide, homicides are up 3.2 percent.

* Assaults are up 8.6 percent.

* Amazingly, armed robberies have climbed nearly 45 percent.

* In the Australian state of Victoria, gun homicides have climbed 300 percent.

* In the 25 years before the gun ban, crime in Australia had been dropping steadily.

* There has been a reported dramatic increase in home burglaries and assaults on the elderly.

See www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php? Article_ID=17847.

Gerhard Opel

Pukalani

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That was after a quick search..

Now bugger off..

Grim

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I know the difference between automatic and semi-automatic weapons, Jessica.

Were ALL of those statistics related to gun crime?


Were ALL of the rises in rape attributed to guns?



Etcetera?





No.

As for your source being the D.C Examiner, yeah, I'm really going to trust a Newspaper released by the biggest lying country in the world.

reply to post by Unrealised


Grimmley just slapped you in the face there with that info, yet you see no pattern? Talk about ignorance.
At least your username fits. Unrealised fits you well.