US: "Far more gun-related killings than ANY other developed country"

The solution isn't to perpetuate violence but to surrender.

Obviously most of you will have no idea of what that means.

Explain to me exactly how you think that would play out? Let's say tomorrow, a total gun ban in America is implemented. How do you think that would play out?

You seem to be under this illusion that total gun bans means nobody has guns. What about military and law enforcement? You taking guns away from them too? Have you even thought this through?

Give us your 'utopia'. Show us how this ban would work and how it would play out. And for whom do you take the guns away from?

Maybe, just maybe it's a people problem instead of a gun problem.
So we have a 20% higher average of "gun crime" here in this country compared to other countries.

Which countries I wonder did they study in this investigation?

Maybe people are the issue here and not some object.

What are the gun crimes in Wyoming versus New York per capita?
I wonder what they are when you compare California to say Montana
Arizona vs. Illinois?
Florida vs. Idaho?

I think you will find that most gun problems by far happen in the larger cities and surrounding area's.
Usually in the area's that have a liberal based population and where firearm laws are the strictest.

I wonder why that is? Anyone care to guess? I don't have a PhD nor did I stay in a Holiday Inn express last night so I will not guess.....only pose questions.

I know the statistics anti gun people use are skewed a ton so to make it fair I think you should break it down if you want to be truthful.

Out of every 100,000 gun deaths how many were:

law enforcement officers shooting a criminal during a crime? (shouldn't count)
How many are deaths contributed to someone through self defense? (shouldn't count)
How many "children" shot were teenage gang bangers shot by each other, or cops? (shouldn't count)
How many ACCIDENTAL firearm deaths happen each year?

Anything other than ACCIDENTAL deaths are a crime issue, bay person issue or mental health issue.

Why are people in the USA seemingly more crazy, violent or disrespectful than elsewhere?
Again it comes back to the bigger city areas. What do they have that the rural areas have less of?

Minorities
Welfare dependents
People who are are out of touch with the world except their little bubble they live within.
(I think most people in L.A. or NYC know little and care less of anything outside their part of the city.

Is it because the educational system is turning out....(I don't want to say idiots)... let's just say not geniuses.
(doubt me? see how well young people can make change if the register goes on the fritz)
They're "book smart" and are taught how to look up the answers but are not taught actual information.

Is it because of the entitlement programs making people feel they deserve everything even though they won't work for it?

Is it a medical issue and people can't get the help they need?

So many questions and an extremely hard problem to fix. It's just a shame people want to take the easy road out and blame firearms.....

Could that be the problem? We've been taking the easy way out for 50 years or more and it's caught up with us?

So, Americans shoot to kill and also happen to shoot up (medicated) the most:

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Might there be a correlation, and if so, could the cause be the exogenous/induced psychiatric conditions of the masses including widespread addictions and/or impairments of judgment) and the effect the resulting rampant violence and massacre after massacre of senseless killings... leading up to perhaps something like this:

in 2010 83% of gun related homicides were by gangs.

...if a country wants to shoot itself to pieces and argue why, how, what around being shot to pieces...then I'm going to just chalk that up to natural selection...

Originally posted by TheMindWar
When you check these statistics you soon realise that the gun crime is being carried out by criminals (go figure that, :lol

we know for a fact that these criminals will never hand thier guns in!

Anyone who believes forcing "law abiding citizens" to hand in thier guns to reduce "criminal behaviour" must be a little backwards ....

What a ridiculous statement. Criminals are not a separate race of people to everyone else. All people are "law abiding citizens" until they commit a criminal act.

People are not criminals until they commit the crime. People who shoot up schools are "law abiding citizens" until they carry out the act. Murderers are "law abiding citizens" until they carry out the act.

All citizens are potential criminals. So we allow all potential criminals to have guns.

reply to post by minnow


No, it's because you have one of the most tyrannical economic systems in the world. You have one of the widest rich-poor divides in the world. You have the most extreme of wealth and poverty.

Poor people are a lot happier and content with their lot when not surrounded by extreme wealth.

Rich-Poor Gap Widens to Most Since 1967 as Income Falls

Top 1% Got 93% of Income Growth as Rich-Poor Gap Widened

Income Inequality May Take Toll on Growth

Economic disparity is the largest cause of our social problems.

Originally posted by lolita64

Originally posted by SpearMint

Originally posted by lolita64
Is it me or since the shooting a bunch of gun control shills have appeared on message boards all over the place?

OP, how much the government is paying you for your treasonous propaganda?

Yeah because people that disagree with you must be "shills". How much are gun companies paying you?

Hmm no. Either you live in the US and support the constitution or you GTFO. Simple as that.

Pushing to overturn the constitution is treasonous as it should be. Don't like the constitution? MOVE ELSEWHERE. It ain't difficult.

If your precious constitution said you can kill anyone you want whenever you want would you do it? That's a freedom. That stupid thing seems to blind most Americans, too busy protecting their illusion of freedom. This has nothing to do with what I said anyway, just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they're a "shill", it means they posses the gift of common sense.

Originally posted by alien

...if a country wants to shoot itself to pieces and argue why, how, what around being shot to pieces...then I'm going to just chalk that up to natural selection...

This is the attitude I want to take, but we have to hear so much about it...

Originally posted by ANOK

Originally posted by TheMindWar
When you check these statistics you soon realise that the gun crime is being carried out by criminals (go figure that, :lol

we know for a fact that these criminals will never hand thier guns in!

Anyone who believes forcing "law abiding citizens" to hand in thier guns to reduce "criminal behaviour" must be a little backwards ....

What a ridiculous statement. Criminals are not a separate race of people to everyone else. All people are "law abiding citizens" until they commit a criminal act.

People are not criminals until they commit the crime. People who shoot up schools are "law abiding citizens" until they carry out the act. Murderers are "law abiding citizens" until they carry out the act.

All citizens are potential criminals. So we allow all potential criminals to have guns.

And all men are potential rapists so we should castrate them all, right?

Yet another scary thought from a socialist: treat all citizens as criminals. A brave new world indeed.

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That is a serious problem. You are doing exactly what they want you to, and you need to address that. If you cant trust your fellow citizen, but your own government, I dont think you belong here. In this country I mean, not just the forum. They love you, you work for them for free.

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Yet another scary thought from a socialist: treat all citizens as criminals. A brave new world indeed.

Yeah but that is not what I said is it?

I was just pointing out that all people are law abiding citizens until they commit a crime, so the posters point was wrong. I never said anything about treating people as criminals.

Typical though, people who fail to understand socialism usually have reading comprehension problems.

BTW I am not a socialist.

Originally posted by ANOK

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Yet another scary thought from a socialist: treat all citizens as criminals. A brave new world indeed.

Yeah but that is not what I said is it?

I was just pointing out that all people are law abiding citizens until they commit a crime, so the posters point was wrong. I never said anything about treating people as criminals.

Typical though, people who fail to understand socialism usually have reading comprehension problems.

BTW I am not a socialist.

edit on 1/3/2013 by ANOK because: (no reason given)

Actually, if you are for gun control you are for exactly that.

reply to post by Cocasinpry

Well lets take a look:
I don't think the victims of Gacy, Bundy or even Jeffrey Dahmer were shot, I believed they were all killed by other means. And what about the OKC bomber, as the reports went, it was done via fertalizer and a chemical means.
We are not demanding that cars are banned due to the number of drunk drivers, or auto accidents. And what about all of the food that kills people, are we so up in arms about saving lives, then maybe lets ban a few other things, and not just guns.

After guns, what is gonig to be banned next, all in the name of saving lives.

Reality is that you can not legislate human behavior, and the countries that do legislate human behavior, I don't think many people want to visit.

Originally posted by conspiracy nut
reply to post by kozmo

 

in your opinion what is the real problem? imo idiots and criminals that shouldnt be walking around with guns in the first place are the problem.

so, why restrict everyone ELSE ??
what is THAT about ?
or are you of the simpleton opinion that if you're not a criminal, you must be an idiot ?

reply to post by Cocasinpry

i understand it's very difficult for someone who stands against guns to even begin to understand those who stand with them.

however, in an attempt to widen your perspective, i've corrected this previous statement of yours. please re-read it until it sinks in.

The solution isn't to surrender

Yes, per capita


I'm not sure I understand the logic of turning admitting Americans for some reason, are the most trigger-happy in the world, into an argument against gun control.

It is what it is. It's weird that the whole argument against this fact, is that it wouldn't make a difference if their guns were taken away, any. I agree! Look at their government, it goes around the world murdering the most civilians than any other country, too. You restrict US from using any more nukes and atom bombs, and US sure enough found a way to deliver even way in excess of nuke/atom equivalent in terms of destructive radiation. Likewise, its too late seize Americans' glory, pride and joy. It won't work. They won't let it happen, they'd make sure to go out in a bang before that happens.

Cause there's an inherent 'most violent' streak socially engrained in both the American people and American government. Where there's a will, there'll always be a way! And they are increasingly showing what they do with their lethal firearms, and arsenals of thousands of tons of depleted/enriched uranium to everyone and anyone, near and far.

reply to post by minnow


Oh good another retread of "Your government is your fault.No ,they didn't ask my permission and seldom inform us EXACTLY what they are doing.Do YOU know why?
Because we would stop them with our assault rifles and high capacity magazines,if we knew the truth,we may have to do it soon...with nasty black rifles and double edged knives,BECAUSE SOME IDIOTS VOTED THESE MORONS IN OFFICE.
Bush Jr was MY mistake.Since then they've been in full tilt GLOBAL mode.Canada sure as hell won't stop that either.
America is waking up to the facts of what exactly the Military Industrial Complex has done in our name.
www.sonyclassics.com...

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Dumb thread.
Africans love putting tires filled with kerosene around each others necks and lighting them on fire.

People in every country kill each other. I actually question every "fact" in this thread, but more than that, I ask why does there need to be ANOTHER thread like this.

reply to post by ANOK

facetious much ??

People who shoot up schools are "law abiding citizens" until they carry out the act.

yea, you're right ... STEALING the guns didn't make him a 'criminal' at all

the only criminal act was shooting up the school, right ?

Murderers are "law abiding citizens" until they carry out the act.

really ???
even this one ??? convicted murderer shoots/kills firemen
oh, silly me ... that shooter was already a convicted murderer but you're right again, he wasn't a current criminal until he shot the responders.

dude, is it possible to discuss reality with you or is everything based on this illusion that you often present ?