Is the government really going to come for guns?, page 1


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reply posted on 2-1-2013 @ 01:38 AM by lolita64
Yes they are coming for the guns.

See :
Illinois
CULLERTON TO INTRODUCE NEAR TOTAL GUN BAN ON JANUARY 2ND

The ISRA has learned from a credible source that Illinois Senate President John Cullerton will introduce a so called “assault weapons” ban on Wednesday when the legislature returns for its “lame duck” session. Cullerton hopes to ramrod the bill through and get it to Governor Quinn for signature by Friday. If he is successful at doing so, nearly every gun you currently own will be banned and will be subject to confiscation by the Illinois State Police.

Based on what we know about Cullerton’s bill, firearms that would be banned include all semiautomatic rifles, pistols, and shotguns. Pump action shotguns would be banned as well. This would be a very comprehensive ban that would include not only so-called “assault weapons” but also such classics as M1 Garands and 1911-based pistols. There would be no exemptions and no grandfathering. You would have a very short window to turn in your guns to the State Police to avoid prosecution.


NY
New York Gov. Cuomo supports gun confiscation


In California, the democrats have a super-majority... they could do anything.

And as more time goes by, the few pro-guns SCOTUS judges will be replaced by anti-gun nuts like Kagan and Sotomayor... so forget SCOTUS defending you.
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reply posted on 2-1-2013 @ 01:41 AM by Kang69
reply to post by AnIntellectualRedneck



It's just a matter of time.

Patriot Act, NDAA, NDRP. A grand agenda is being pushed.

All you can do is enjoy the ride.


reply posted on 2-1-2013 @ 02:03 AM by buni11687
reply to post by AnIntellectualRedneck



At the moment, Im not really sure what the next few months hold. As a gun owner, Feinsteins bill scares the heck out of me. This bill isnt just a revive of the Clinton era AWB, it's that AWB x 10. This bill also goes after handguns and also adds in so called "registration". From what I understand at the moment, this "registration" is basically categorizing any firearm that holds more than 10 rounds as a NFA firearm. (Full-auto firearms are considered NFA firearms currently).

This means it's possible my Glock 19 would be in the same category as a full-auto Uzi, a full-auto .50caliber machine gun, hand grenades and explosives (DD's, destructive devices)

Here's what Feinsteins website says about this bill....

www.feinstein.senate.gov...

Bans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of:


....

Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds.


From what I see, anything that holds over 10 rounds will be banned.....but there is an exception....

Protects legitimate hunters and the rights of existing gun owners by:


Grandfathering weapons legally possessed on the date of enactment;
Exempting over 900 specifically-named weapons used for hunting or sporting purposes; and
Exempting antique, manually-operated, and permanently disabled weapons.


But.........

Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include:
Background check of owner and any transferee;
Type and serial number of the firearm;
Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint;
Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law; and
Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration.


Ive only bought guns through FFL's. During my purchase, I already have almost all of the above done on me. The serial number is recored in the sale by the FFL. I show my picture ID at the sale. I go through the NICS background check when I buy a firearm.

The only thing not done in the latter part of the grandfathering part, is the "Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration", and the fingerprints part. If you are a CHL holder, then they already have your fingerprints.

This is how I see this bill at the moment. If you are a legal gun owner and you have any firearm that holds more than 10 rounds, you will be put in the same category as felons, unless you give the government more money.

If people like Feinstein get their way, then yes, they will send the government to grab your guns if you dont give them more cash.
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reply posted on 2-1-2013 @ 02:22 AM by buni11687
Also, if they do decide to just up and go full on confiscation, well, there's hundreds of millions of guns out there. I dont see an easy way to all out confiscation in one blow.

The last I heard was there's roughly 300 million guns in the hands of civilians at the moment. And with the massive fear of more gun control in the past couple weeks, Im guessing there's more (tons more) out there now.

Pretty much everywhere across the country, shelves are bare. The so called "Assault rifles" have been wiped clean, with orders backing up to 20 weeks or more in some places (Ive even heard up to 10 months). Websites are shutting down just because they are the busiest they've been. Heck, I cant find .223 ammo anywhere at all, even online. Even handgun ammo is starting to run out around my area. The places I go online for firearm related stuff has messages like this. (This one is from Carolina Shooters Supply)



If that's not bad, check this out.

Background check backlogged, gun sales soar

COLORADO SPRINGS, COLO. -- The Colorado Bureau of Investigation is planning to ask lawmakers for $500,000 to help it more quickly process the huge backlog of background checks for gun buyers.


After the school shooting in Newtown, Ct the agency has been swamped.


According to the Denver Post, in November, it took an average of 23 minutes for a gun buyer in Colorado to get a criminal-background check.

The wait time now has stretched to nearly a week as the CBI stuggles with the backlog of more than 11,000 applications.


.....23 minutes turned into a week? The state needs atleast half a million dollars....just for background checks on new gun purchases?!?! Im guessing this type of backlog will contine as more gun control talk heats up in politics.

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reply posted on 2-1-2013 @ 02:43 AM by lolita64
reply to post by timetothink




Dicks sporting goods refuses to fill orders placed before the CT shooting.

Dicks sporting goods is looking for a class action lawsuit.

Everybody should boycott those bastards since they have no spine and don't really support the second amendment. They need to go bankrupt.


reply posted on 2-1-2013 @ 06:11 AM by Pilgrum
From a dealer's point of view, this is very much a seller's market with demand outstripping supply so they can charge whatever they consider potential customers are prepared to pay. After all, they were never in business for the good of their customers now were they?

The problem with each state making its own new rules (or making no changes) is the lack of uniformity so any localized changes will be grossly ineffective as you can simply go for a drive and return with whatever goods you desired. Change would need to implemented at a national level IE same rules in all states from the same date to have any measure of success.

Will 'they' come for your guns?
I'd say no, unless they had grounds to obtain a warrant to search your premises based on some other suspected illegal activity. The most likely approach is to first declare exactly what firearms are illegal to possess and an end date for a amnesty period in which those weapons can be handed in (a realistic level of compensation definitely helps with this). Past the amnesty harsh penalties would apply for anyone found in possession of a banned weapon but they're not going to bust down doors to get them without a really good reason to do so EG owners barricading themselves in a house and loudly declaring they'll be shooting at anyone trying to enter - that's a siege situation and presents a danger to the public in general so warrants whatever force necessary to eliminate it.
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reply posted on 2-1-2013 @ 07:29 AM by CosmicCitizen
reply to post by buni11687


Prior to Obama's first election those mags were about $14/ea and they only doubled at most dealers as I recall. Those that sold out had waiting lists but they were all reluctant to raise prices by more than 100%...now the demand (actual gun control proposals vs the threat of same) is so much that the dealers could not resist the temptation.
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reply posted on 2-1-2013 @ 10:43 AM by DaMod
reply to post by lolita64



If true... That ban includes hunting weapons!

Ok this we can not do....

I personally do not believe shotguns should even be considered in an "Assault Weapons" ban... They are heavily regulated as it is......

Before any of the anti-gun crowd replies to me consider this... Shotguns are for birds (and in some states for deer).. They are heavily regulated and must be plugged (meaning they are only allowed to house two or three shells in the magazine depending on your state).... A hunting shotgun (even semi-auto) could not be considered as anything but... It's a hunting shotgun... They have a really long barrel, choke tubes and a plugged magazine and are designed specifically for hunting applications.....

Heck my semi-auto shotty (that is specifically for bird hunting) is probably the most popular model in the UK right now... Yeah.. the UK......

Why include hunting weapons?!
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