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Originally posted by Siberbat
I want to expand on my methane hypothesis. Methane is considered a "simple aphxiant", meaning it replaces atmospheric oxygen an causes aphxiation. Just look at the state of the birds at the time. It is colorless and orderless (commcercially another chemical is added which causes the "rotten egg" smell). It is found naturally in the environment and can seep through the soil and through water. A common source of methane can be found in coal for one thing. I don't know if this location is in coal country, but that could be a source. Methane is lighter than air, in large amounts it can form a cloud, if the conditions are right. Normally it just disapates into the environment.
If a weather inversion is present, meaning high altitude warmer air compresses low altitude cooler air, oxygen rich air would be closer to ground level; the methane cloud would reside in the warmer air. Think about how cooking oil would layer on water in a glass. That would be a repersentation of what I'm talking about. This would explain why we don't see dead squirrels and cow at ground level, and while birds in flight could encounter the methane cloud.
If a methane cloud large enough to take out approx. 300 birds were in the area, I would hope no one would be setting off fireworks. I don't know what would happen, but we all know that methane is extreamly flammible. lol.
What gets me is the timeing. It seems to happen around New Years/ New Years Eve. I could see if it were a week or two either way, but in the last few years its been odd that is been within a day or two in different locations.
So, there is my contribution...not fireworks, or trucks, but gas.
Originally posted by MrConspiracy
reply to post by FireballStorm
All i have to do is look out of my window during a day and i can see all types of birds flying around my area. Are you suggesting there were no other species birds in the area?
Originally posted by MrConspiracy
I just wonder though,are they starting to be a bit more frequent? Or are we just hearing about it more? I wonder if anyone would know the actual figures? (of course, such figures can't be 100% accurate) But see if there has actually been a rise in mass animal deaths, for unknown or debatable causes. Rather than just the old "social media and news websites allow us to hear about them more, but they are normal"
Originally posted by Dizrael
i'm sorry, do you think about the things you type?
how does one car... or a firwork show big enough to kill DOZENS of birds. did you look at the pictures? they were everywhere. and DOZENS of them. try again please.
Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by LadyGreenEyes
We each have our opinions... I'll stick with mine from 15 years of professional driving across this nations interstates day in and day out for about 90% of that time. In my professional opinion as an experienced commercial driver? There is absolutely no way in creation a passenger vehicle went through what the article states was a count of 50 when they stopped bothering to count more.
A count of the birds on the scene stopped at around 50, when not even half of the visible birds were tallied. Perhaps dozens more were scattered in a nearby field, which was flooded from the recent rainfall. As far as 60 yards from the main site of the birds, individual starlings were found.
I'd want pics before I'd believe a 18 wheel TRUCK would take out that many at once and I've never seen more than 2 or 3. (Birds tend to veer off sharply and even make games of it, to watch them sometimes) This is with vehicles running 70-80 mph, not whatever this car was doing on the edge of a residential neighborhood.
The story doesn't even pass the laugh test in my judgement and opinion. Though again, we all have our opinions and if folks want to believe these birds were clumped in a "swirling mass" roughly 4 feet by 6-6.5 feet, (Avg car width looks to be around 79 inches or so.. and 4 feet is a decent guess for an avg car height as well) and all got hit fatally, then I suppose... Pretty much anything works.
60 yards... BTW.., would be 180 feet out into a flooded field. That's a long way for a wounded bird to hop or flop..and getting out of the water after the first splash out to go the rest? Hmmm... It sounds perfectly reasonable for them falling scattered from a bit of altitude though. Just my thoughts...
edit on 3-1-2013 by Wrabbit2000 because: Corrected measurement note and linked it to vehicle spec data