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Originally posted by ThinkingHuman
You are funny. Capitalists are so evil, they even hi-jacked, or "appropriated", your left wing terms. I did not know you could do that. I do not really care about who "owns" the word, rather just the meaning. If all dictionaries are giving the "capitalist definition" than give me yours. I will be happy to use words according to your definition.
You have not heard about the Occupy movement? Also called Occupy Wall Street? They call themselves the 99%.
So what is it that can motivate people if not ownership? Or are you suggesting that you can eat food that you do not own? Yet, you say, socialism allows for ownership. Then is that not capitalism? Unless you are suggesting a mix between the two and you pretend that all the benefits are derived because of what you imagine would happen.
If you want to have a real dialog, we need to first agree on the meanings of the words. You do not want to go by the definitions most people use, the dictionary, then please tell me the definition that you like of the words that you use.
Originally posted by ANOK
I never said capitalists were evil, please.
It is a known fact that left wing terms have been appropriated by the state... You have to understand the history of the 1800's working class to understand how the terms they coined have been changed, and why.
“libertarian was a term created by nineteenth-century European anarchists not by contemporary American right-wing proprietarians.” Murray Bookchin The Ecology of Freedom p. 57
Were we talking about the occupy movement?... Angry protests have happened for centuries.
... I would make a very long list of capitalist organizations and their dirty tactics. Or just use Hitler and Lenin to demonize government. See how that doesn't work?
People are motivated to take care of themselves, and that is all that is needed. It's no one's business to motivate people to do anything else.
Socialism is the workers common ownership. Meaning if you can work and want to work you can... cooperative businesses where all the workers equally own the business, and all share equally in it's product.
If I use the modern common definitions what I am saying would make no sense. The original true definitions are still relevant, and if you understood those definitions everything makes sense. I understand your reluctance to accept the definitions...
People always talk about social conditioning, well this is an example of it my friend... Just like you are conditioned to think you are free. And to love god, and to obey...