U.S. Collapse leading to a new dawn for the Southern States?

Originally posted by CB328
The military is a huge employer in states like Texas. If you secede how are you going to employee all those people when they're no longer part of the US military?

They would become part of the Texas Guard if they want to stay in the military. We would still need to maintain our infrastructure and I'm sure being our own country would create a few new jobs.

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to post by NavyDoc

 

It's not really considering the Federal government as listed above is one of the largest employers in southern states.

Regardless of the retired they are a drop in the bucket for state revenue. If that logic held up than Florida should be rolling in cash due to all those people spending their SS money on goods and services in Florida right?

~Tenth

Of course the federal government is the largest employer. NC alone has almost half the Marine Corps and large chunks of the Army.

Florida should. The trouble is, that many of those retirees from NY and NJ bring their tax and spend philosophies with them. They demand more services be provided than they taxes on their SS bring in.

Originally posted by 1/2 Nephilim
reply to post by maria_stardust

 

Whoa whoa, don't close it up that quick. I was like really? @ the OP at first too but just found this link and he is actually very much onto something.

On November 14, 2012, the L.A. Times confirmed that secession petitions had been filed with the White House from all 50 states.

The particular states that have exceeded the required 25,000 signatures are (look at the trend):

Alabama
Florida
Georgia
Louisiana
North Carolina
Tennessee
& Texas

Thats the South..

www.examiner.com...

I'm with it, lets secede!

Don't forget to create yourselves a value or commodity based, non debt currency system. The US would probably tip over with the weight of people racing south to partake in an economy that wasnt' based on debt.

Originally posted by Grifter42
A Yankee is a Yankee. I am not a republican, democrat, or any of the above. The system has failed us and will continue to fail us. And if we seceded from the Union, I'd like to see them try and take their infrastructure back. All the roads and lines and so on have been laid. Every county has power plants of it's own, across the state. And I'd think others to be similar.

It's amazing what a few loaded bombers will do. Hell, they don't even have to drop explosives on you to knock out the entire infrastructure of the south. A few well-placed BLU-114/Bs or Kit 2 Tomahawks and your power system is gone. As in, shorted out, on fire, or melted, all without any explosives. Roads? Highways can be taken out with solid bombs or anti-runway munitions. Neither will produce any significant collateral damage.

Originally posted by ShadeWolf

Originally posted by Grifter42
A Yankee is a Yankee. I am not a republican, democrat, or any of the above. The system has failed us and will continue to fail us. And if we seceded from the Union, I'd like to see them try and take their infrastructure back. All the roads and lines and so on have been laid. Every county has power plants of it's own, across the state. And I'd think others to be similar.

It's amazing what a few loaded bombers will do. Hell, they don't even have to drop explosives on you to knock out the entire infrastructure of the south. A few well-placed BLU-114/Bs or Kit 2 Tomahawks and your power system is gone. As in, shorted out, on fire, or melted, all without any explosives. Roads? Highways can be taken out with solid bombs or anti-runway munitions. Neither will produce any significant collateral damage.

Trouble is, most of those fighters and bombers are stationed in the south and almost half the men and women who man them are from the south.

reply to post by NavyDoc


That's a state legislation issue than honestly. If the state is going to bend over and negotiate with those who want more for less than I don't really have an pity for them.

My point is that if you rely on the Fed for anything without an acceptible and affordable alternative available, than removing yourself from the union is suicide.

~Tenth

reply to post by speeddr2000


Again, it's about how badly managed the resources are. Nothing to do with how the revenue is generated, only how it's allocated and then spent.

California has lived beyond it's means. They are now feeling those consequences. The same for the rest of the states who rely heavily on federal funding for large projects they don't have the money to pony up themselves.

The fact is that no matter how you look at it, any state removing itself from you the Union is effectively commiting financial suicide. At least in while they attempt to find the remedies that are available to them. Either internally or externaly via other agreements with other states or nations.

~Tenth

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to post by NavyDoc

 

My point is that if you rely on the Fed for anything without an acceptible and affordable alternative available, than removing yourself from the union is suicide.

~Tenth

That's what I'm trying to say, though. Why SHOULD we allow ourselves to rely on the Fed? If the alternative is to die of the cancer that is consuming the Union, maybe suicide by leaving the Union is a better alternative, figuratively speaking. Especially if it gives you a chance to avoid the fate of the Union.

reply to post by frazzle


Oh we wont.. I think we will be going with the Yuan (with Australia hehe). That way we will be able to import labor that costs next to nothing and it will be just like the good old days. Tired of assembling Ipads? No worries, weve got plenty of cotton and tobaccy' that needs pickin'.

Tobacco is a big industry these days, cotton not so much. People who think the South's agricultural income will be bad off ought to look at the North's industry these days. Remember the Northerners actually made things in those great big cities of theirs? Not any more. It's all been outsourced. But huge numbers of people smoke. It's like the things are addictive or something. That's a lot of money. And cotton is king.

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to post by Grifter42

 

Actually you do need those 'yankees', since the blue states subsidize the red states.

~Tenth

edit on 1/1/2013 by tothetenthpower because: (no reason given)

That's funny really with California alone there are more people on welfare than population of most states, then of course there is New York.

Then of course what about the other 30 states in the union the states that produce the most revenue?

Then why is California bankrupt?

All this secessionist talk is so lame. "New Dawn"

Here's a plan....

Take a vote among the states populations and see who really wants to secede. If the vote is pro secession then DO IT and just STFU.

ain't gonna happen and you know it!

reply to post by Grifter42


Troll much...... ......Yankee problems. You have to be kidding right? This has to be a joke thread or something.




If you are serious pull it together man. The only divisions you will see will be between the progressives that are TPTB and the silent majority of conservatives.



The progressives are making a power play with the economy and freedoms. Guess what they will not win. When the silent majority wakes up they will fail.

To be fair, i should refrain from intimating that the Feds plan to depopulate the southerna half of Louisiana for the oil business, and the stupendous expense of habitating places which flood out continually.....Which is why the sinkhole continues to threaten......the climate is getting more inhospitable to Louisiana residents these days....
Mega goverment (goverment&corporate control) is driving gigantic agendas which span too many years to be easily outed....
or understood by the observer.....
The South has one asset i find compelling to its survival and success should it opt out as is the right of any state.....
There is the means to massive food production, in the South.......i anticipate massive markets globally....
Couple this with its huge off shore oil reserves,and facilities like hampton roads, and the gulf oil refining capacity.....
There are smaller countries than this with less to offer that are making it as well as any.......
I cant see anybodysucceeding from the union at this time however.......should the republic fall well.......

Originally posted by 1/2 Nephilim
reply to post by frazzle

 

Oh we wont.. I think we will be going with the Yuan (with Australia hehe). That way we will be able to import labor that costs next to nothing and it will be just like the good old days. Tired of assembling Ipads? No worries, weve got plenty of cotton and tobaccy' that needs pickin'.

Call me a control freak but I usually prefer playing my cards a little closer to the vest than that, not just throwing my chips in with someone who says they may have a good hand.

Of course having an independent currency wouldn't preclude setting up most favored nation trade agreements with China or whomever else and providing easy conversion rates that would facilitate trade.

Originally posted by olaru12
Here's a plan....

Take a vote among the states populations and see who really wants to secede. If the vote is pro secession then DO IT.

edit on 1-1-2013 by olaru12 because: (no reason given)

Votes are rigged and any such vote would be held in venues that would hold positive bias towards the Union. It would be pointless. There are many petitions, however, that show that a good number of people favor a state not connected to oppressive federal government. The Federal Government, that killed all those people at Waco, and Ruby Ridge. The one that covered up the CIA's coke smuggling ring to fund the contras and Muhajideen back in the days when Osama Bin Ladin and Ronald Reagan were best friends and the Taliban were freedom fighters with the same sort of ideals and morals that the founding fathers had.

Point is, the federal Government has re-written the history of the last twenty years, why would it not rewrite the history of the civil war to benefit itself?

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to post by NavyDoc

 

That's a state legislation issue than honestly. If the state is going to bend over and negotiate with those who want more for less than I don't really have an pity for them.

My point is that if you rely on the Fed for anything without an acceptible and affordable alternative available, than removing yourself from the union is suicide.

~Tenth

I think that all of this secession talk is just venting--hyperbole if you will. As I said earlier in the thread, we are too much of an intertwined society for succession. I doubt that there is a single American who does not have family in another region of the country.

As for the new southern dawn, I think that the OP does have a point--just not in the form of succession, but rather economically. If the taxation and regulation and unionism drives industry and business from the north, the south could capitalize on this migration and attract industry and business to them. Charlotte is a finance capital second only to NY, for example. Lockheed moved several of its plants to SC. I read about several CA businesses thinking about moving from that state due to the recent tax hikes. Ditto for businesses in IL and NY. MD has already seen a net migration of its wealthiest citizens. If they play their cards right, the South could stand an economic boom in the next decade.

Actually as a native Texan and cotton farmer, I hope the South prospers and does become an economic powerhouse in the Country; but secession talk is just mental masturbation and fantasy. T party porn...

reply to post by Grifter42


"A 3rd American Revolution, just waiting to happen. The South can rise again. We don't need these Yankee problems and debts, and the federal government will burden us with it's debts. Forget join or die, we're like Chang and Eng, the two conjoined twins. Either we cut the healthy one free of the dying, or we die with it. "


Will this Second Imagined Confederate Union also Reinstitute Slavery along with Bigotry against Catholics ? If so, then it Will Fail Miserablly . Just Another Attempt of Circumventing the Constitution IMO . No Thanks Boy..........

Originally posted by 1/2 Nephilim
reply to post by MrSpad

 

Originally posted by MrSpad
Yeah good luck with that. Florida will stick with the Union and considering that the Fed is one of Texas largest employers so will they. You can have Alabama, Arakansa, Kentucky, and the rural areas of Georgia.

Hell yeah, lets do some mud slingin'. What do you know about the rural areas of Georgia? Or Lousiville KY? Louisville is about the most neutral city I have ever been to when it comes to being Northern or Southern.

Where are you from? Wonderful LA or NYC or DC? Chicago or Detroit? Excellent examples of how the US should be.. Florida is with us!

I am from Florida. And the reasons I say the rural areas of Georgia is that the cities sure are not leaving.