U.S. Collapse leading to a new dawn for the Southern States?, page 1


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reply posted on 1-1-2013 @ 05:56 PM by tothetenthpower
reply to post by Grifter42



Actually you do need those 'yankees', since the blue states subsidize the red states.



~Tenth
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reply posted on 1-1-2013 @ 05:57 PM by seeker1963
reply to post by Grifter42



Ummmmmmm, you do know that you have people in the North that believe in the Constitution don't you?



reply posted on 1-1-2013 @ 06:06 PM by tothetenthpower
reply to post by Grifter42



It's predominantly republican. It's included in southern states for fiscal reasons. That graphic is supposed to show blue vs red states and their dependancies.

You want the 'south' to rise again and remove itself form the Union, you used the term 'yanks', but this isn't political or anything?

The truth is that the southern states could not financially support themselves anymore without a serious retooling of their economies and priorities.

Most of the infrastructure they have is federally funded. You think the Gov would just let you keep all that? Methinks not.

~Tenth


reply posted on 1-1-2013 @ 06:18 PM by tothetenthpower
reply to post by Grifter42



You are wrong about that.

The only state which can provide it's own power is Texas and I believe Colorado or another one of the mid states.

Financially it makes no sense. The states do not produce enough revenue on their own to operate the way they do. They do not have sufficient exports or manufacturing. They cannot provide for public schools or social services.

You'd have to drastically cut every single public service and raise costs of those services in order for the state to be self sufficient.

Otherwise you'd have to get together with other states and make agreements and treaties with each other. And wouln't you know it, but that looks awfully similar to a union doesn't it?



~Tenth


reply posted on 1-1-2013 @ 06:30 PM by 1/2 Nephilim
reply to post by maria_stardust



Whoa whoa, don't close it up that quick. I was like really? @ the OP at first too but just found this link and he is actually very much onto something.

On November 14, 2012, the L.A. Times confirmed that secession petitions had been filed with the White House from all 50 states.


The particular states that have exceeded the required 25,000 signatures are (look at the trend):

Alabama
Florida
Georgia
Louisiana
North Carolina
Tennessee
& Texas

Thats the South..

www.examiner.com...

I'm with it, lets secede!



reply posted on 1-1-2013 @ 06:38 PM by 1/2 Nephilim
reply to post by MrSpad



Originally posted by MrSpad
Yeah good luck with that. Florida will stick with the Union and considering that the Fed is one of Texas largest employers so will they. You can have Alabama, Arakansa, Kentucky, and the rural areas of Georgia.


Hell yeah, lets do some mud slingin'. What do you know about the rural areas of Georgia? Or Lousiville KY? Louisville is about the most neutral city I have ever been to when it comes to being Northern or Southern.

Where are you from? Wonderful LA or NYC or DC? Chicago or Detroit? Excellent examples of how the US should be.. Florida is with us!


reply posted on 1-1-2013 @ 06:42 PM by NavyDoc
Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to
post by Grifter42



Actually you do need those 'yankees', since the blue states subsidize the red states.



~Tenth
edit on 1/1/2013 by tothetenthpower because: (no reason given)


I always laugh when I see that because it does not take into account all of the retirees moving into the sun belt and taking their SS checks with them as well as that those states have most of the military and hence tax spending. It is a bit of a disingenuous slide.


That said, I can't see a realistic secession movement. We are a much more intertwined and less insular nation than before. The most common accent in my town is NY/NJ regional. I'm from Michigan. DIsplaced yankees outnumber southerners. LOL.

I do think it may mean a southern new dawn, but not like you think. As people realize the failings of the overregulated and overtaxed northern states--particularily in the rust belt, they may set up economic freedom in the south that may cause an economic boom. Businesses are already moving down here. Lockheed moved to SC recently. They are talking about making NC a no state income tax State.
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reply posted on 1-1-2013 @ 06:43 PM by speeddr2000
Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to
post by Grifter42



Actually you do need those 'yankees', since the blue states subsidize the red states.



~Tenth
edit on 1/1/2013 by tothetenthpower because: (no reason given)


California lol did you read the chart ?


reply posted on 1-1-2013 @ 06:44 PM by tothetenthpower
reply to post by NavyDoc



It's not really considering the Federal government as listed above is one of the largest employers in southern states.

Regardless of the retired they are a drop in the bucket for state revenue. If that logic held up than Florida should be rolling in cash due to all those people spending their SS money on goods and services in Florida right?

~Tenth


reply posted on 1-1-2013 @ 06:45 PM by tothetenthpower
reply to post by speeddr2000



Do you understand the chart you are looking at?

It shows TAX REVENUE production.

I don't understand what you are getting at? California is poor due to bad budgeting, not a problem with tax revenue.

~Tenth


reply posted on 1-1-2013 @ 06:48 PM by speeddr2000
Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to
post by speeddr2000



Do you understand the chart you are looking at?

It shows TAX REVENUE production.

I don't understand what you are getting at? California is poor due to bad budgeting, not a problem with tax revenue.

~Tenth


You cant produce if you cant get out of the hole. ill pay you 200k a year to work for me but you have to pay me 300k . Your making a lot of money right ?
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