Originally posted by randomname
america is not like the roman empire it is an offshoot of the Roman Empire
edit on 1-1-2013 by randomname because: (no reason given)
Very true. The system and spectacle spreads by invasion and cohesion. When Rome fell, the ideas behind it stayed alive, in spite of the conquerors. A
language and a culture, when organic (ie, not planned or designed) are impossible to totally divorce, as it is the language that serves as the social
vehicle for the culture, setting its boundaries as far as what can be discussed (extant concepts) and in what terms (such as metaphor and
When the Goths invaded Hispania and brought their version of Germanic language-culture, it did not stick well, less than the Germanic influences in
France and much less than in England). The local Romans were subjugated by the Goths, but they never fully adopted their language, other than some
personal names and a battery of military and clothing related vocabulary. They continued speaking Latin. After centuries passed it may not have been
Caesar's Latin, but it remained. Flash forward (and skipping the Moors who had longer control and infused the Latin of Hispania with Arabic words and
culture) and you find the Spanish and Portuguese crowns, the empires they created and effectively the spread of Rome to the Americas.
The Catholic Church is also in play - whoever made Latin the official language of God? So, why continue the long unused language in the liturgy? This
has effectively maintained the Roman State throughout Western Europe, the Americas, parts of Africa, the Philippines and beyond.
And, when we say Western culture, what do we mean? Essentially we mean Greco-Roman. The Greek system of culture and government was consumed by the
Roman Empire. The Roman Empire spun off of some of the ideals and concepts the Greeks provided. The Royal Families of Europe are often intermixed,
such that a Spanish Princess can become Henry the VIII's wife or an Austrian can be the last queen of France. These families not only held power, but
based their ideals of culture on the Classical one. So, any progressive changes the Gothic and Arabic influences caused in the Spanish or Portuguese,
as a whole, are normalized back to the "original" Roman standard espoused by the leaders of these nations and others, such as England, France,
Why should the US build monuments in Greco-Roman style on the National Mall? Why should we use their month names and callendars or celebrate their
festivals? why do we, in more ways then one, still maintain the Colosseum in most major American (north or south) and European cities?
Why should Latin and Greek words be used in our creation of new chemical, technological or biological terminology? English does this more than any
other language outside of the true Roman
ce languages - much less in German, Polish or Russian and unheard of in Chinese - though all these
countries are also developing these advancements. In fact, English is the least "pure" of the Romance languages (some may argue my claim here -
English is a daughter language of Latin just like French or Romanian, the relationship is just a little more chaotic). English is not just like Latin
- it is
Latin. It has come to continue Latin's sound through words like I mentioned above and to bear the torch of its spirit, by spreading it
to every corner of the globe.
And, to come full circle, it's the language that sets the culture's transmission. So, in more ways than one, the US is The Roman Empire; Washington,
New York and Chicago are incarnations of the city; English is Latin with some tweaks; All "roads" lead where, these days?