Kim Jong-un calls for end to confrontation with South Korea

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posted on Jan, 1 2013 @ 03:48 PM
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Originally posted by OmegaLogos


Explanation: Why should I move ... I am in Australia and OL is an Australian.


Because one cannot live in dreams, unless one faces the reality.

The Reality?





Originally posted by OmegaLogos
... but I do suggest that some forgiveness be employed.


I feel for the victims of Propaganda, and systematic murder of Millions in its OWN borders. You cannot forgive NK for continuing to do this, even for a second. It validates a dictator ruling the masses.




Originally posted by OmegaLogos
It is neither up to the USA or Australia, or any other non Korean countries, to agree or not agree!


Its also Opinion by those who wish to forgive NK, for Crimes they are STILL causing today.......

NK is still suffering because of what they are doing to their OWN people. Has that changed this New Year?



Originally posted by OmegaLogos
It is an offer by NK extended to SK ... and although we get to discuss it on ATS ... neither of our countries has any legitimate direct say in the outcomes.


An offer. One that would come with a counter offer of something NK would never do. Open the borders, stand down all your troops, and give up power. Will Kim Jong-un do that? You tell me? That is the only way reunification could be accomplished. There is no other way.



Originally posted by OmegaLogos


All I am saying is ... GIVE PEACE A CHANCE!



So how about that?






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posted on Jan, 1 2013 @ 03:49 PM
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I see the move towards a strategic alliance of a united Korea as a counter to China's current status. The historical dynamic between the ethnicities involved would be a safe bet to look into for the real motivations in this part of the world. In reference to the linked article, it seems that reinforcing the border with China is well in the works and gaining the support of South Korea would send a definite statement northwards.

www.usatoday.com...
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posted on Jan, 1 2013 @ 03:57 PM
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Originally posted by OmegaLogos
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Explanation: Uhmmm?


He is 'new' to the 'job' and he has only just spoken those words.

He is western educated and is probably one of the only people from inside his own country with such an insight into both his own country and the west.

How about you cut the guy some slack eh.


Personal Disclosure: Do you know how long it takes to draw up and draw down a freaking army?!
:shk:



I agree with you. This guys isn't his father and he shouldn't be judged be the same standard. I say we wait and see. Either way, if they want they can certainly have a vodka summit in my living room as long as they share with me.
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posted on Jan, 1 2013 @ 03:58 PM
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Agreed. He apparently replaced a lot of 'top brass' to ensure his top military officers would be loyal to his goals/ideals as opposed to his father's.

It's really hard to say what will come out of just this one speech. It'll take a lot more than words to smooth over their violent past. With the South Korean president only wanting to resume talks if N. Korea ditches their nuclear program, things are bound to get interesting.

N. Korea may just wind up giving into the 'game' and realize they're going to need more outside help. Their track record with speeches of this kind says otherwise, but Jong-Un may see things in a fresh perspective.

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A couple of other possibilities for the recent speech:

N. Korea's Trade with China Hits Record (Dec. 31, 2012)

North Korea's trade with China is likely to hit a record this year, in another sign of North Korea's deepening economic reliance on its sole ally.

...possibly recognizing they need other options?


S. Koreans outlive N. Koreans by 12 years: Study (Dec. 28, 2012)

South Koreans live 12 years longer than North Koreans on average, according to a study released Thursday in the South.

A Statistics (South) Korea report on major statistical indicators in North Korea found that as of last year, the average North Korean man is expected to live until 65.1 years and a woman 71.9 years, lower than the corresponding figures for South Korea (77.5 for men and 84.4 for women). This means that South Korean men live 12.4 more years than those in the North while women live 12.5 years longer.

Maybe they're seeing the grass is greener?

Hell, maybe it's wishful thinking
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posted on Jan, 1 2013 @ 04:19 PM
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Haha, now that you mention that - at some point in the game, the Korean superstate launches what was thought to be a GPS satellite (now, that hasn't happened, has it???) but it actually turns out to be an orbital weapon which prepares the way for an eventual and subsequent ground invasion of the United States!

The film Red Dawn also draws parallels with the game (not in the least because it has the same write - John Milius).

In any case, in response to the timeline of the game, with a few temporal inaccuracies (i.e. Kim Jong-Il died in December 2011, whereas the game puts his death in 2012), all we can say is "so far, so good" (i.e. Kim Jong-un has called for a kind of reunification; North Korea has launched a supposed "communications satellite").

Let's see what 2013 brings us, shall we?



posted on Jan, 1 2013 @ 04:39 PM
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Actually, I beg to differ about China. They are not focussing so much intently on the Middle East as another great and large continent that nobody seems to give more than a haughty and cursory look over - that is... Africa! Can you see how much China has and is establishing itself on the continent (the continent that still retains nearly 70% of the world's resources). China is thinking well ahead; because when everything runs out in ME and the US, the continent with most of the world's resources will be the prime target and China has already got their hands on it (and is actually doing business instead of conducting the business in the US and European manner of grabbing and killing and slaughtering).



posted on Jan, 1 2013 @ 04:52 PM
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I really don't get all of the skepticism.

If the USA can decide to vote it's self socialist and commit financial suicide by spending the dollar into uselessness then why can't a country that has been in totalitarian poverty go mainstream?

300 million can give up prosperity in order to get a short term handout.
Why can't 25 million give up a half century of oppression,poverty and starvation?



posted on Jan, 1 2013 @ 05:23 PM
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Old Kimmy is playing a card from his fathers' deck. Instead of exploading a bomb and getting rewarded with food aid when he makes nice, Sonny is launching balistic missels and doing the same thing.
Fool me once......



posted on Jan, 1 2013 @ 05:34 PM
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Democracy? Lol. What democracy?

We, living in the West, don't have democracy.

I'll just jog everyone's memories back to the Lisbon Treaty.

Both the Dutch and French people(s) rejected the treaty. Their vote was ignored. Then Ireland rejected the treaty. It was ignored and forced to take a second vote.

Yea, go democracy.



posted on Jan, 1 2013 @ 05:51 PM
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Well, guess we just have to wait and see what Lil' Kim's next move is.

Great post



posted on Jan, 1 2013 @ 06:00 PM
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What source did you use to get this? Since when did Russia's infantry size only 80,000?



posted on Jan, 1 2013 @ 06:09 PM
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Pic is obviously off.



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posted on Jan, 1 2013 @ 06:14 PM
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Bunch of bullshít. He just want's food.

Every time the north get hungry, they become conciliatory. Every time their stomachs are full, they launch missiles.

Nothing to see here... *zzz*



posted on Jan, 1 2013 @ 06:18 PM
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He is his fathers son and that is something that will not change. how do you think the rest of whats left of his fathers regime would feel if Kim really was sueing for peace. How long would he really be in power.

A man can say whatever he wants and can talk as big as he wants, You cannot measure a man just by his words.
His actions in the near future or lack thereof will speak volumns. Is it all a bunch of hot air? Or is it the beginning of something?

Time will tell.



posted on Jan, 1 2013 @ 07:14 PM
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Are people forgetting that Kim Jong Un is just a figurehead? The real power in North Korea is in the hands of the Military Officers that surround him.

Kim Jong Un may want peace, but i can almost guarantee that the Military Officers would have none of that.
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posted on Jan, 1 2013 @ 07:23 PM
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Well, I'd say I am guardedly optimistic only because he is a new bird to the roost in Pyongyang and who knows? It could be true. Then again, I could win the Publishers Clearinghouse Sweepstakes and be set for life too. I mean, it can happen right?

I'd say I'll put more than optimistic thoughts toward it when Kim follows deed with word. He can start with securing roughly 11,000 artillery pieces within range and aimed at Seoul. Try to imagine ... 11,000 THOUSAND artillery shells landing within your general range of hearing and senses (for as long as you have senses left working that day, anyway) at about the same time. Now imagine waves of it. The South doesn't have their Capital and population center under anything like that same threat with a literal few moment capability to simply load chambers and pull chords to send things on their way.

Talk is cheap and the DPRK have always been masters of the word .... It's that deed part which has yet to materialize behind the positive talk, IMO.



posted on Jan, 1 2013 @ 07:50 PM
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In news to hand:-

Kim Jong-un offers S.K. a gift wrapped present!

In completely unrelated news, Kim was seen lolling at the internet video of "Dick in a box".



posted on Jan, 1 2013 @ 07:54 PM
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Originally posted by kingsquirel
Interesting, are we observing the start of the "second" Berlin Wall falling


Wonder how the U.N. is feeling about this, since they started this whole fiasco in the first place


Not likely, as the rank and file soldier in NK is guilty of crimes that would cause the commies in East Germany to blush, let alone senior military officials. If such a thing where tried, the wittle dictator would be replaced brutally.



posted on Jan, 1 2013 @ 07:57 PM
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After 62 years, I would think it's about time. I won't hold my breath. Actions speak louder than words.



posted on Jan, 1 2013 @ 07:59 PM
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I have a feeling that not too many people outside of North Korea really know what is going on in that country. For instance, if Un really did want to end the oppression in his country, would the military leaders and high ranking officials wish to comply, or would they attempt a coup? A coup would be extremely easy in my opinion as far as organizing the leadership is concerned, but I have a feeling that the troops might just be brainwashed enough to fight alongside Un and his dictatorial regime. I think that what they do over there is this: While most people are starving, those who comprise the military are actually fed on a regular basis, and probably have a much better life than an average citizen of NK.

But surely those members of the government and military that have been around for a while would like to see their country changed and modernized, as it could actually sustain its population this way, if trade were opened up. But the fact that Un mentioned strengthening NK's military is not a good sign. They already have a military composed of many ground troops, despite the fact that no one wants to invade their country. All the other nations know that there is likely no reasoning with NK, and a fight would end up being quite brutal, and NK likely is one of the only countries who would fire a nuke, if they have working nukes lol, if they were fighting a war. One nuke fired is not so bad, as even the largest bombs made today will only decimate a relatively small area, say a city, but nuclear strikes, since they have no equivalent in terms of weaponry, would likely invoke retaliatory nuclear responses...thus creating a vicious cycle.





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